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post #9031 of 9849
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Originally Posted by jet View Post

You'll find the cigars much more flavorful and enjoyable to smoke especially if you retrohale. I'm always left a little disappointed (though grateful) when one of my cigar buddies gifts me a smoke because I know how high he keeps his rh at, probably around 70. I can bite down on the end and the cigar just feels damp and it'll just get smashed without cracking, far too wet for me. When I bite down gently on the end and I hear a slight crackle, it's perfect. You get an excellent draw (bc the leaves aren't so swollen from the moisture), smoke volume, great burn without having to constantly touch it up (this is also a test if you're cigars are too wet, you keep having to touch them up because they go out all the time, you can also tell by the the color/depth of the burn line of dry vs wet tobacco near the ash), and most importantly flavor. I've smoked great cigars that were bland because they were too wet. When you dial it back from 70 to 65 you risk nothing and gain everything. I've seen people on cigar forums do this and become ecstatic with the results. Now dial them back to 62 or dry box them for a couple of days and you're talking my language. They become almost too flavorful. You want to try to achieve the perfect balance of flavor with lack of harshness because if they get too dry, harshness enters the equation and flavor diminishes. Always wait a minimum of 30 days (now I wait 90) before trying one that you just receive from transit to let them acclimate and settle in their new environment.

I used to smoke them right out of the store, but I'm now finding that I'm often disappointed with that approach and now wait as long as I can resist. I'll make the above recommended changes, I appreciate the advice.
post #9032 of 9849
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post #9033 of 9849
I'm no expert but I'm a little worried because if I recall correctly they are not supposed to have the seal on the box itself but instead on the cardboard package they come in (J correct me on this as it's been so long I don't recall how these came). More importantly, I don't see a box code or date stamp unless it's just not visible in the photos. The cigars themselves look toothy and coarse as well but difficult to tell from phone camera shots. These are just a few points based on initial observations.

Here are photos of mine of my 09 box, keep in mind packaging does vary over time. Notice the clean finishing and branding.

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post #9034 of 9849
jet, my box was the same as yours, with the seal on the cardboard, along with the factory/date stamp on the bottom of the (inner) wood box. I believe mine were 09s also though.

Those cigars don't look quite as "refined" looking as I would expect from Cohiba also... I only have a limited experience with Cohiba, having only owned esplendidos, CoRos, sig 1s, 2s, and 5s, but all those I've encountered had cleaner looking wrappers.
post #9035 of 9849
The wrappers do look rough for a Cohiba. Seal should have been on the cardboard box and the Cohiba print looks pretty sloppy on the sticker inside the box...
post #9036 of 9849
Jet,

Thank you for the response and time you took out to review my pictures.

I am disappointed to say the least. After further research, I have to agree with you that they are more likelier than not, fake.

Jet, can you tell me where I can purchase the real thing? Also, can you recommend to me a website that would teach me about cigars and how to care for them?

Thank you again four your time.
post #9037 of 9849
All the observations about crappy wrappers, bad lettering etc. are fine, but the most obvious tell is that there is no factory and date code. biggrin.gif

Whatever you do, don't tell your boss he is buying fugazis until you start full-time (at a minimum), as long as he is happy let him continue being happy.
post #9038 of 9849
You will not always have a box code on the wooden box if it came in cardboard.
post #9039 of 9849
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Originally Posted by tom153 View Post

You will not always have a box code on the wooden box if it came in cardboard.

Never seen a box of Espys without a code on the box. SWs yes.
post #9040 of 9849
I didn't call him out, but I told him that a friend of mine said they maybe counterfeit.
Here is his reply.

"oh, ok, now it is clear, I bought them from Ariel really close friend, I personally went into his house and saw the suitcase, He works in the factory for cigars... basically what Ariel's telling me is "its impossible the guy works in the factory, no way there fake" and the next line basically "he takes them out little by little, and everybody buys from him"

Now you first said serial numbers... ok, well, that maybe,,, but fake "no way" you wanna pay $600 for a stamp thats fine.. You know what, my uncle comes here and visits every few years, he brings cigars, "better" then cohibas,, IN A BROWN PAPER BAG, you know why? a tobacco roller has the right to roll some for himself, ok, those, that he rolls for himself ARE THE BEST LEAVES, there just in a brown paper bag."

I think I pissed him off.

What do you think? Jet, do you want to try one?
post #9041 of 9849
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Originally Posted by ama View Post

Whatever you do, don't tell your boss he is buying fugazis until you start full-time (at a minimum), as long as he is happy let him continue being happy.
Woops.

Also, best advice I ever got (happened to be from homie Jet), "lower your humidity for CCs." I'm at a constant 61% and am very happy with the results.
post #9042 of 9849
62%/60-63F is what I run. 70% is too much IMO
post #9043 of 9849

How was this? Love the ashtray by the way who makes it?

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Originally Posted by Cravate_Noire View Post

Lusitanias, had this boxe's content for over 3 years in my humidor.
post #9044 of 9849
I don't think you should have told him, that never ends well. Behikes have the planed finish on the bottom also but no box code which is only on the cardboard.

There are always a million stories about how they were acquired and chances are (about 99%) that if they were not bought directly from a reputable dealer or factory in cuba they are counterfeit. My buddy has some very nice looking esplendidos that are fake and everyone was passing them around as a joke but if you smoke it or take it apart you know it's not an esplendido.

Here is the criteria for fakes:
mainly cohiba since they command the most and are the most well known
mainly top of the line cohibas which again are the most $$$ and well known
mainly larger gauge because inexperience rollers can't roll thinner gauge cigars

Nobody is going to fake a lesser known, cheaper, and thin gauge cigar because there's nothing to be gained from it. I have seen fake psd4s just because of their iconic status and I'm sure fake mc2s are plentiful as well.

Esplendidos are some of the most faked along with behikes, when you get a $600 box for 250, it's fake. Even in cuba they are expensive though recently they raised prices to be more in line with global pricing. People who work in factories don't get "deals" on cigars, in fact they can't afford the cigars themselves but they get a small ration I believe, I could be wrong on this. Also the part about the rollers, I don't think they necessarily let them have the best leaves plus they need to know how to blend them in order for them to taste good. I doubt regular factory workers have enough training for this, only when you get to guys like level 9 hamlet or toboada do these guys know how to blend.
post #9045 of 9849
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Originally Posted by allgoodnamesgone View Post

I didn't call him out, but I told him that a friend of mine said they maybe counterfeit.
Here is his reply.
"oh, ok, now it is clear, I bought them from Ariel really close friend, I personally went into his house and saw the suitcase, He works in the factory for cigars... basically what Ariel's telling me is "its impossible the guy works in the factory, no way there fake" and the next line basically "he takes them out little by little, and everybody buys from him"
Now you first said serial numbers... ok, well, that maybe,,, but fake "no way" you wanna pay $600 for a stamp thats fine.. You know what, my uncle comes here and visits every few years, he brings cigars, "better" then cohibas,, IN A BROWN PAPER BAG, you know why? a tobacco roller has the right to roll some for himself, ok, those, that he rolls for himself ARE THE BEST LEAVES, there just in a brown paper bag."
I think I pissed him off.
What do you think? Jet, do you want to try one?

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whether or not they are legit is irrelevant. someone gave you what they perceived to be a nice gift. you admittedly know nothing about cigars and then you call this dude out for passing on fakes? if i were him, i'd be re-considering the job offer solely based on your poor judgment (even with the hurt feelings aside).
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