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post #8686 of 9823
Had an excellent nov 10 psd4 on the patio, that partagas spice in full bloom then second third some creaminess and touch of sweetness came through. Halfway into the last third it got harsh and it was too wet (64%) since it was in my desktop. Over three years they are fucking great. I have another box that appears superior to this one which is done but I won't crack it for another year or so and will stock up on at least 4 more boxes this year (have one on the way).

Also copped some pl panetelas (sup Tom), du gourmets (get on this J), another cab of rass. Need some mag 46s still and possibly the 03 des dieuxs for smoking the rest of the year while I buy more shit to age.
post #8687 of 9823
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Full Disclosure--I work for Davidoff.

 

Very good explanation, I just wish we could have gone into more detail ;)

 

Where do you work in Davidoff, and were you at IPCPR?

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Cuba is more full bodied, no? DR for something mild?

This is a common misconsception. While many Cubans are full bodied, it is not because they are Cuban. The strength depends on a) the individual tobacco Strains b)the location of the leaf on the plant (sunlight can have a major affect. the Ligero leaves, the top 3rd of the plant, are, all else being equal, stronger than the lower leaves) c)how the leaves are aged and stored. The Maduro wrapper, for instance, has been what we call fermented. It is stored in large collections that expose the leaves to tremendous pressure and heat, basically cooking it. In doing so, it releases more of the natural sugars (think "burnt molasses" as one of my coworkers says) and a more earthy flavor. Often, but not necessarily, these are fuller-bodied and stronger. The leaves are cycled to even out the treatment over the aging process, the amount of time and heat varying from manufacturer to manufacturer, blend to blend. To give you an idea, the Puro D'oro are a Dominican puro. A puro is made from a binder, filler, wrapper all from the same location of origin (The D.R. in this case). The Davidoff Millenium Blends are a dominican cigar, but the wrapper is grown in Ecuador from using a proprietary seed of Cuban Origin. These are on the Fuller side, but not as full as the Puro D'oros. At the same time, a friend of mine brought back some Cubans from the DR. They were hand rolled by a small artisan, not one of the big names, and was a a very light and flavorful smoke. The Davidoff Thousand Series are light (but very flavorful), but use an Ecuadorian Wrapper. These are the strongest in the Davidoff White Label line. La Flor Dominicana (again, the DR) makes some very full smokes. Their standard lines include Ligeros, and a few double ligeros (which are stronger and more flavorful). Avo, a Davidoff Brand, has quite the range, but in terms of body they fall in the light to the Medium/Full range. Don Pepin Garcia, the famous blender, known for his own brand, as well as blending work for Tatuaje, working with Pete Johnson, Ashton, as well as his work in Cuba before his defection, has made quite a name making medium to full Nicaraguan Sticks with a spicy/sweet flavor. I just finished the My Father li Bijou Churchill, which was a brand by Jaime Garcia, meant as a tribute to his Father and his father's cigars.
Historically speaking, Cubans have been the fullest body cigars, and the best in the world. However, over the last 30 to 40 years, Nicaragua, the DR, Ecuador, etc... have developed a Cigar Infrastructure. With increasing Political stability, many tobacco planters and blenders were able to establish secure brands and have perfected them over the last few decades, creating sticks of increasing quality and hte kind of logistical and political infrastructure that allowed these regions to develop and export these products, which previous they could not. As cigar tobacco (black tobacco) was best suited for Cuba, it took years of selective breeding to created strains capable of growing elsewhere with certain traits. This ongoing process, and through the development of shipping, infrastructure, and so on, these regions capable of growing tobacco began to start doing so on an ever larger scale, and to export them to domestic and international markets. Currently, these products can increasingly challenge the quality, strengths, and subtleties that previously could only exist in Cuban Cigars. It is important, I feel, that we see Cubans as one of many cigar styles. That is, with of all the Cigar makers in the world, we recognize that Cubans are not objectively the best, but rather we celebrate the amazing diversity of this Golden Age of Cigars and view Cubans as one of many examples, with their own special characteristics and feel that makes them Cuban. I have increasingly come in contact with Individuals who still insists that they only smoke Cubans (I am not talking about tourists from Overseas who have not had access to the others, but rather the kind of people who make the declaration as if they are somehow better than I am-they annoy me), and it saddens me, for the have not given themselves the opportunity to expose their palate to a seemingly infinite number of possibilites.

Full Disclosure--I work for Davidoff.

Nice write up; thanks for the info. Since I posted the other night I found a website (which I don't have handy at work) that goes through all this in detail. Very interesting things, such as growing the wrapper under shade to make the leaf thin and with as little veins as possible, as an example. I got my feet wet enough to realize this is a whole line of pursuit I best stay away from as I do not need another hobby that will end up costing me $$$ laugh.gif I think I'll stick to the few things I've tried and liked, such as RyJ Ashton I recently had.
post #8689 of 9823
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Very good explanation, I just wish we could have gone into more detail wink.gif

Where do you work in Davidoff, and were you at IPCPR?

Thank you. No, I was not at the IPCPR. I work at one of the corporate stores in NY. My manager was at the show, however. He and my coworkers have given me quite the crash course in Cigars in the last few months. It has become quite the passion.
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The tradeshow was insane. I have smoked about 40 cigars since thursday. A lot of big things dropping. DE Cuenca y Blanco was great, the papa fritas were deceptively good for something that's not technically a premium.


I'm happy you liked them. The Cuenca y Blanco is Joya de Nicaragua. We at Drew Estate just distribute for them in the United States. Even though the Liga Privada Papas Fritas is a mixed fill I would still classify it in the premium category. It is made with Connecticut Broadleaf wrapper and internally it is made with table trimmings throughout all the Liga lines. The fill is collected and resorted for color, size, thickness, texture, etc as well as the head of the cigar being more packed with longer pieces so you don't wind up with bits of chop in your mouth. To the best of my knowledge no other company in the world puts this much effort into a sandwich cigar. They will hold an ash for over an inch.

As you can guess, I work for Drew Estate biggrin.gif
post #8691 of 9823
J what the fuck man, this must be the most epic bombing I've witnessed.

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Let me see if I can guess LOL!! plpc, e2, d4, esp #2, perla, reyes, sig vi, jl1, pl ap, hurr. Not like that was hard.
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Still looking for a humidor and this seems tempting, anyone who has experience with this brand.

 

Adorini - Triest deluxe?

 

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post #8693 of 9823
That picture looks more like a computer render than an actual humidor---a primary objective is to have a good seal. I would say you're safe with anything from cheaphumidors dot com, in the 40-60 range or higher.

V enjoy man. To be fair some of those boxes have just come in recently so haven't had that much time to rest. The Royal Robo is very good.
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Thank you. No, I was not at the IPCPR. I work at one of the corporate stores in NY. My manager was at the show, however. He and my coworkers have given me quite the crash course in Cigars in the last few months. It has become quite the passion.

 

Make sure they take you next time, go get signed up with Tobacconist University (shameless plug for my boss).

 

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I'm happy you liked them. The Cuenca y Blanco is Joya de Nicaragua. We at Drew Estate just distribute for them in the United States. Even though the Liga Privada Papas Fritas is a mixed fill I would still classify it in the premium category. It is made with Connecticut Broadleaf wrapper and internally it is made with table trimmings throughout all the Liga lines. The fill is collected and resorted for color, size, thickness, texture, etc as well as the head of the cigar being more packed with longer pieces so you don't wind up with bits of chop in your mouth. To the best of my knowledge no other company in the world puts this much effort into a sandwich cigar. They will hold an ash for over an inch.
As you can guess, I work for Drew Estate biggrin.gif

 

Yeah, I know you guys just handle distribution for JDN, but JD was talking about working on the development of the blend so I kinda mentally filed it as DE. Papas Fritas cracked me up, because the first time I met JD I asked if he'd thought about doing a table scrap cigarillo or small cigar with liga offcuts and he gave me the craziest look. J/W salesforce or other nebulous part of the company?

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That picture looks more like a computer render than an actual humidor---a primary objective is to have a good seal. I would say you're safe with anything from cheaphumidors dot com, in the 40-60 range or higher.
V enjoy man. To be fair some of those boxes have just come in recently so haven't had that much time to rest. The Royal Robo is very good.

Every one of them looks magnificent, looking at the feet they all look properly rolled too so can't wait to fire them up after they acclimate for a short bit.

Love the perla, I hope the flavor is good so I can get some because of the size. There are lots I'm considering I'm buying boxes of so the selection is flawless.
post #8696 of 9823
Liam, I'm sales force management, legislation and key accounts. Up until the show I handled the sales force East of the Mississippi. At the show we promoted one of our Southern reps to the Southern regional territory as well as NYC/NJ. I then took over the National accounts. I worked in DC for 10 years before getting into the industry so I handle legislation and my territory of supervision has expanded further West into Chicago and as far west as St. Louis.
post #8697 of 9823

Very cool, man! 
I only know a couple of the reps and "celebs" like Saka and JD, most of the company is a total mystery to me lol. That's a huge area to be accountable for, though.

post #8698 of 9823
Fucking $400+ for a box of Davidoff Maduro Rs. less than my box of esplendidos, for sure, but these are robustos for fuck's sake.

Looking at buying boxes of NCs that I actually smoke so I can start buying more CCs that I want to try/like. Looking at the DPG Blue lanceros and Padron Churchills. Smoked through my RASS, BRC, Trini Robo T, PSD4 and VR Famoso stock. Want to get RASSC, Fundys, and more BRCs soon. Not really sure about the rest. Time shall tell.
post #8699 of 9823
Never been a big trini fan man i've tried to like them but not enough body and complexity for me and flavors they do possess bore me so I don't throw chips at those. New 2011 shit has been smoking well from multiple people I hear, just heard from another friend today the same. Famosos have been a miss too for some time.

We got some newer bbf coming through I'll tell you how those are after I smoke a couple. Branch out, get smaller smokes like pl panetelas which are dirt cheap, monte 5s and erdm demi tasse.
post #8700 of 9823
I might do that. I've always heard that's where cuba shines, though I can't really put much credence in "what they say". Please let me know though about the BBFs, the BRCs I had were great but if the BBFs are good I might have to get those instead.

I have the majority of a box of siglo I and I really enjoy them, I think the smaller cigars and I would be a good fit. I am a big fan of smaller RGs also.
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