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I forgot to upload a shot of the RACA



That stopper is for a half full bottle of Basil Hayden's that we finished off with the smokes.
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How is the Club Allones? I see them for sale around a couple places and am curious
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IMHO Their pretty good.
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Originally Posted by Krish the Fish View Post

How is the Club Allones? I see them for sale around a couple places and am curious

From my previous post "Club Allones Edicion Limitada 2015 which I smoked last night. It was sweet and a bit fruity, some tea notes that built into powerful cedar, earth, and leather. Honestly it was a bit uncouth and could probably have used at least a year of aging."

I think it was an interesting enough profile that aging would be worth it. The construction and burn were flawless from that one stick.
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How is the Club Allones? I see them for sale around a couple places and am curious
Needs a bit more time although some folks burning through them now and still liking them. Good potential for the medium term IMO. Get them whilst you can as I'm hearing less supply going forward.
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"Thou shalt not post photos of Cuban Daivdoff/Dunhills without commenting on them."
"Thou shalt smoke all of the cigar you are gifted when you are gifted a Cuban Davidoff/Dunhill" (unless it underwhelms)
Ha, catching up--this was a late 80s box, stored in a UK shop for its entire life for one client who passed away. They weren't cheap with or without VAT. I also bought a Latour box from the same shop that I haven't cracked yet. I brought both boxes to meet up with a friend in London across from Davidoff and Eddie Sahakian stopped by. We all agreed the Margaux was the better box. Aroma was intense and amazing, cello was yellow and a double-axis cello like modern Partagas 898's come in. Had never met Eddie before but he proceeded to gift me two #1's and two 3000's--supremely generous!

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The Margaux were for the groom/wedding party of a wedding I attended who's a huge wine guy. Yes, sadly, they were wasted on the majority, even the cigar smokers, obviously. But it was a gift, so I can't complain too much. I bought 3x La Esception Don Jose RE's at the groom's request for the general wedding crowd. Flavor-wise, these were 100% there, obviously, no dodgy storage, no cardboard origins, etc. Started off mild cedary, hay, vanilla, cream. Smoking it down brought spicier notes, nutty flavors, sort of umami/mushroomy that you get with vintage champagnes. Medium to full bodied, I smoked mine down to the nubs. 2nd place went to a young French wife as her dad smokes cigars. But one of the best cigars of my life...$ for $, better than 1492, CT25, at least from this box.

The 3000 I posted a couple pages ago was from Eddie, smoked in Milan. Stored in Davidoff's vintage singles area. Very, very faint. Not quite to expiration, but I think the storage sapped it a little bit from what it used to be. Mostly hay and cream, needed several relights as I was walking around.
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Recent smokes:

EL (yup!) '98 Fundadores. Few boxes of el Laguito-rolled Fundies out there....MKO '04 Siglo VI. Then POL '10 P#2, MKO '04 Lancero, '11 Sancho Molinos, JM '98 Famoso (rolled entubado, dimple under cap), 2/87 Romeo Corona, 11/87 Bolivar Belvedere from cello. P#2/Lancero/Molinos/Famoso were all from a good friend.

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Glad I found this thread! Amazing!!

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What cigars do you recommend buying now to store for later? And how do you stop yourself smoking them!
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Buy a lot more than you smoke. And buy what you like. Two things that will net you the results you want.

I have some Cohiba Robustos that have been in my humidor for a couple (5 or so) years. Also have some 2005s still left. Have some 2005s Lanceros and 2001 Lanceros as well. I think my Esplendidos are 09s but I lost the outer box so I can't remember now.

Basically I ended up buying them at a pace that was faster than I was smoking. I'd also buy cigars at my local cigar store when I smoked them there (no cigar bars thanks to asinine legislation in OH. should get fixed at some point but probably not for 5 years) and bought some boxes of things I liked there as well. So the pace I was smoking may have been high, but wasn't really smoking through the stuff I have in my humidor.

I also had a new humidor made last year and filled it with an assortment of petit coronas.

But the best advice I can give you is buy what you like to smoke, and buy an extra box every time you buy a box. And forget you have it. Rinse and repeat and eventually you'll have stuff that's got a fair amount of time on it that'll be awesome to smoke.
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Originally Posted by Krish the Fish View Post

Buy a lot more than you smoke. And buy what you like. Two things that will net you the results you want.

I have some Cohiba Robustos that have been in my humidor for a couple (5 or so) years. Also have some 2005s still left. Have some 2005s Lanceros and 2001 Lanceros as well. I think my Esplendidos are 09s but I lost the outer box so I can't remember now.

Basically I ended up buying them at a pace that was faster than I was smoking. I'd also buy cigars at my local cigar store when I smoked them there (no cigar bars thanks to asinine legislation in OH. should get fixed at some point but probably not for 5 years) and bought some boxes of things I liked there as well. So the pace I was smoking may have been high, but wasn't really smoking through the stuff I have in my humidor.

I also had a new humidor made last year and filled it with an assortment of petit coronas.

But the best advice I can give you is buy what you like to smoke, and buy an extra box every time you buy a box. And forget you have it. Rinse and repeat and eventually you'll have stuff that's got a fair amount of time on it that'll be awesome to smoke.
Thank you for your advice!
I have found I like a few Cuban cigars but love the Partegas P2 and Montecristo No 2 every time I smoke them! So they both get better with age?
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I think someone else like P4, jet or Torsion might be better equipped to answer that question but I've had some with a moderate amount of age on them of both (5 or fewer years, so barely aged) and they were good. That's just anecdotal.

Some people online seem to think that heavier bodied cigars tend to age better, as the "body" mellows out as the cigar ages, but I've had older Montecristos (have a 97 especial in my humidor still) that were great after 10 years or so of age. And Montecristos are generally considered lighter bodied cigars. Mind you this is just an anecdotal account, but the older Montecristos were some of the best cigars I've ever had.

So that's why I said buy what you like to smoke and let them age. Smoke them as often as you want to smoke them, and if they survive to an old age and you like how they smoke then, then smoke them then!
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I like the wine analogue--if it's a crap wine, it's not going to get better with age. If the underlying raw materials are good, as with cigar tobacco, and pending good storage, yes, the cigars will get better with age.

You can play with air exposure (cabinet of 50 vs. dress box of 25 vs. tubos vs vacumn sealing) to adjust how 'gracefully' cigars age. Groupthink is that for long term (5-15+ years) the less air exchange, the better. Single cigars in a desktop, conversely, might get some rougher edges rounded off a little sooner at the expense of some of the intensity. Agree 100% with Krish, IMO, I've had well-kept lighter cigars with age that are superb. The key is good, consistent storage above all.

It's a learning curve, the only way to see what you prefer is to try, try, try!
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So I've purchased two humidors (50 and 100 count) in the last year only to have them not perform as I'd hoped. I followed the initial instructions to wipe down the humidor with distilled water with a sponge and use a xikar crystal jar (with solution added every 3-4 months) to control humidity level and both times the cigars ended up way too dried out to the point the leaves were cracking. I realized on one humidor that the seal was not completely tight so maybe that contributed but both ended that way. So, a few questions:

Am I doing something wrong or not enough to properly control humidity? If so, would fellow SF members care to share some advice?

If it's the humidor, could folks recommend a trusted humidor to hold approx. 50-100 cigars or site you'd recommend purchasing from?

Many thanks!
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Originally Posted by Krish the Fish View Post

I think someone else like P4, jet or Torsion might be better equipped to answer that question but I've had some with a moderate amount of age on them of both (5 or fewer years, so barely aged) and they were good. That's just anecdotal.

Some people online seem to think that heavier bodied cigars tend to age better, as the "body" mellows out as the cigar ages, but I've had older Montecristos (have a 97 especial in my humidor still) that were great after 10 years or so of age. And Montecristos are generally considered lighter bodied cigars. Mind you this is just an anecdotal account, but the older Montecristos were some of the best cigars I've ever had.

So that's why I said buy what you like to smoke and let them age. Smoke them as often as you want to smoke them, and if they survive to an old age and you like how they smoke then, then smoke them then!

@OmarDubaibanker

See above post from @PartagasIV as he sums it up perfectly.

It's all about the quality of the tobacco to start with and good consistent storage conditions. Several different schools of though re the ageing process and the best thing is really to try it out for yourself and what works for you.
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