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Really young but really good!

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Noice!
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1996 CCE - 20 years to evolve into a near perfect smoke. Only the finish - with a bit of build up - was not ideal; the rest was iconic aged Cohiba.
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So recognizing that the illicit importation of CC into the United States probably already accounts for a not insignificant chunk of total supply, I wonder how the increasingly likely ending of the trade embargo with Cuba will impact supply/scarcity, price, and quality of the average Cuban cigar? I actually prefer NC cigars to CC for the most part, so I am not terribly concerned about any impacts on me personally, but wonder what you guys think? Will demand stretch the quality control programs already in place? Actually, will this thin the market for NC as at least some demand moves into the market for CC? Interesting times.
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So recognizing that the illicit importation of CC into the United States probably already accounts for a not insignificant chunk of total supply, I wonder how the increasingly likely ending of the trade embargo with Cuba will impact supply/scarcity, price, and quality of the average Cuban cigar? I actually prefer NC cigars to CC for the most part, so I am not terribly concerned about any impacts on me personally, but wonder what you guys think? Will demand stretch the quality control programs already in place? Actually, will this thin the market for NC as at least some demand moves into the market for CC? Interesting times.

I used to work for a major importer here in Europe and am still friends with the owner and his father.
To answer most of those questions:
The supply is already stretched as it is. Its a public secret that the cubans doubled production between 98 and 01. Which is boxes from this period can contain up to a 1/3 of plugged cigars. Currently they have caught up in the quality department (to my mind the nicaraguans still do it better) but they simply do not have the capacity to increase production a lot again.As such, the rise of China has made the supply here in Europe already a lot smaller, with limited editions becoming harder to obtain and regional editions becoming smaller..

MC market might take a small hit, but the fact of the matter is that the cubans simply do have enough cigars to fill the market, period. Which means that prices for cubans will simply go up a lot, and prices for NC's down a bit..
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I used to work for a major importer here in Europe and am still friends with the owner and his father.
To answer most of those questions:
The supply is already stretched as it is. Its a public secret that the cubans doubled production between 98 and 01. Which is boxes from this period can contain up to a 1/3 of plugged cigars. Currently they have caught up in the quality department (to my mind the nicaraguans still do it better) but they simply do not have the capacity to increase production a lot again.As such, the rise of China has made the supply here in Europe already a lot smaller, with limited editions becoming harder to obtain and regional editions becoming smaller..

MC market might take a small hit, but the fact of the matter is that the cubans simply do have enough cigars to fill the market, period. Which means that prices for cubans will simply go up a lot, and prices for NC's down a bit..

An interesting and highly discussed topic on various cigar forums. Unless HSA are able to maintain QC on the additional demand that the end of embargo may bring it's very likely QC will be affected. Allegedly there's been issues with crop last year, if this happens YoY and with the increase in demand then the only way is up with pricing.

Just my 2 cents...
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I've definitely viewed the last 8 or 10 years as a golden period in which to stock up on things, as my tastes have gotten more defined.

Today's smokes were an 02 CoRo, 06 CCE from PLM, and 13 JL#1 from PSM.

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We had chatted about blind tastings here earlier...I wound up running a blind tasting on a cigar forum I frequent. If anyone wants to participate, I have 3 ready to go. Two robustos, blind, that's it. I could put more together, but I wound up making the three extra. How much other interest?
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Count me in.
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I'm in J
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Yesterday's smoke:

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I used to work for a major importer here in Europe and am still friends with the owner and his father.

Tell Elbert I said "hi" (assuming I know which importer you are talking about)

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Short smoke yesterday, '14 Monte 5.This format is great when its cold,time is limited and I love that Monte profile.
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Santos custom lancero tonight from the 2015 holiday sampler from @Girardian
Smooth and delcious aged tobacco although I've no idea what vintage!
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Taking full advantage of the weather and basking in the NYC sunshine with this PL Montecarlos. Took well over 1 hour to smoke, savouring those flavours.Calling @jet V you def were not wrong about these. Best bang for your buck smoke, I'm hoarding boxes from now.
Thinking of giving the VR Famosos another shot later.
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