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post #16 of 27
5/2/08 at 5:28pm
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Originally Posted by Concordia View Post
I certainly don't know the letter of the law, but I believe that red wine with Gamay blended in must be called "Bourgogne Passetoutgrains."

Of course, if you count Beaujolais as Burgundy--- as I sometimes do-- than that is a much more substantial exception. All those are 100% Gamay. At least, the ones that aren't made in Algeria.

Concordia, our good Manton made a mis-statement I think...which he is now going to defend. He said all red Burgundies are 100% pinot...which we know that is not actually the case I would just say I overstated my case if I was him.
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post #17 of 27
5/2/08 at 5:28pm
Thread Starter 
Shame on me, I've started a wine fight.
Though, I am learning from it!

Thanks again for all of you taking the time to respond.
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post #18 of 27
5/2/08 at 5:50pm
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post
Concordia, our good Manton made a mis-statement I think...which he is now going to defend. He said all red Burgundies are 100% pinot...which we know that is not actually the case I would just say I overstated my case if I was him.

Look, I know you like to fight, and I do too sometimes, but not now, not about this.

Beauj is not Burgundy, but if you want to say it is, fine with me.
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post #19 of 27
5/2/08 at 6:03pm
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post
Ah, thanks for the clarification. I was just going under what those idiots, commonly known as the people making the wine, living there, and creating the administrative classifications, call it. What a fool am I?!

You know, I am often late to the party in understanding what douches certain posters are whom everyone else comes to hate long before me, but eventually I get it. I'm beginning to get you too, finally.

"Piobaire" is not quite as bad as your "Wayfarer" incarnation, but you're getting there.

Have a nice day.
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post #20 of 27
5/2/08 at 6:14pm
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Originally Posted by Manton View Post
You know, I am often late to the party in understanding what douches certain posters are whom everyone else comes to hate long before me, but eventually I get it. I'm beginning to get you too, finally.

Go check my initial reply to your statement regarding all red Burgundies being 100% pinot. I was quite civil and offered an out, a chance for clarification. You decided not to take it telling me what any "wine snob" would decide. I may be a douche, but I admit when I am wrong quite willingly. In fact, prove to me what I said was actually wrong, and I will thank you for teaching me a little bit more about wine.

I'll take an honest douche any day of the week.

Have a great day.
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post #21 of 27
5/2/08 at 6:36pm
Walk into any wine store and ask for "Burgundy" and they are not going to steer you to the Beaujolais aisle. Go to Beaunne and talk to people about Burgundy wine, they are not going to assume you mean Beaujolais.

Oh, and by the way, you can congratulate yourself all you want for having caught me in an "error" but in fact Beaujolais has its own appelation under the French classification system.
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post #22 of 27
5/2/08 at 6:45pm
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Originally Posted by Manton View Post
Walk into any wine store and ask for "Burgundy" and they are not going to steer you to the Beaujolais aisle. Go to Beaunne and talk to people about Burgundy wine, they are not going to assume you mean Beaujolais.

Oh, and by the way, you can congratulate yourself all you want for having caught me in an "error" but in fact Beaujolais has its own appelation under the French classification system.

Fair enough, good points all. Maybe I was holding you to too literal of a version of what you said. However, everything I have read places Beaujolais administratively with Burgundy and also Gamay seems to appear. But then again, I'm a douche, so what do I know?
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post #23 of 27
5/2/08 at 6:46pm
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post
But then again, I'm a douche, so what do I know?

Some douches know a lot. Behavior, not knowledge or ignorance, make a douche.
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post #24 of 27
5/2/08 at 6:54pm
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Originally Posted by Manton View Post
Some douches know a lot. Behavior, not knowledge or ignorance, make a douche.

Again, I'm not gonna play your game. I would point out that I have yet again offered two outs to you in the post you partially quoted. I offered maybe I was at fault by taking you too literally and I offered you made good points. You decided not to pay attention to that though and tell me I was a douche again. Behavior you said?

Also, second result on a Google for the topic at hand:

http://www.epicurious.com/tools/wine.../entry?id=5678

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Burgundy
[BER-gun-dee]
1. Burgundy, one of the world's most famous wine-growing areas, is located in eastern France, southeast of Paris. Bourgogne, as it's called in France, consists of five basic regions-CHABLIS in the north, the CÔTE D'OR, the CÔTE CHALONNAISE, the MACÔNNAIS, and BEAUJOLAIS, which is farthest south.
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post #25 of 27
5/2/08 at 6:58pm
Chablis is another good example, better even than Beauj. When people say "white Burgundy" they almost always mean the Cotes, and exclude Chablis. I you mean Chablis, you say "Chablis," even though it is far more similar to a Cote white than Beauj is a to a Cote red.

I didn't say you were a douche again. I made an ontological/epistimologal statement about the nature of douchedom.
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post #26 of 27
5/2/08 at 7:05pm
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Originally Posted by Manton View Post
Chablis is another good example, better even than Beauj. When people say "white Burgundy" they almost always mean the Cotes, and exclude Chablis. I you mean Chablis, you say "Chablis," even though it is far more similar to a Cote white than Beauj is a to a Cote red.

So a simple clarification of your original intent would have probably saved both of us coming to verbal blows and you telling me what a douche I am. I am not disagreeing with what you say here about commong usage of terms, my question was regarding that 100% of red's out of Burgundy are pinots?

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Originally Posted by Manton View Post
I didn't say you were a douche again. I made an ontological/epistimologal statement about the nature of douchedom.

Given what was quoted (and not quoted) from that post, within the confines of the current conversation, I thought the implication was clear. If you want to maintain you were merely making a philosophical observation, that's fine with this douche
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post #27 of 27
5/3/08 at 7:41am
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post
Concordia, our good Manton made a mis-statement I think...which he is now going to defend. He said all red Burgundies are 100% pinot...which we know that is not actually the case I would just say I overstated my case if I was him.


It might not be literally correct to do so, but it is a fact that most wine snobs craving a Burgundy won't normally want a Passetoutgrains (really a microscopic portion of the region's output) or a Beaujolais-- even a good one. Manton speaks accurately for them.

Still, I get most of my Beaujolais from a specialist retailer that deals mostly with Burgundy, and I haven't decided whether to shelve it as a separate item or lump it in by vintage with the others. Since I generally consider Chablis and Cote Chalonnaise wines (Mercurey, et al.) to be Burgundies of a sort, the latter course would be somewhat consistent. The stark difference in the grapes used argues for the former.

Of course, if you pull enough corks, very little of this discussion matters.
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