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post #16 of 26
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Originally Posted by Film Noir Buff View Post
It is about wasting money and time and effort. But, the real question is trying to figure out the purpose youre want to achieve. Tweed, odd jackets and shawl lapels are all useful for some purpose.

If gas prices go to $8/gal we might all be wearing tweed. If youre a designer or a famous and flamboyant writer, then tweed with a shawl lapel may be good.

Clothing is not something you can decree but elements of clothing have developed universal and in some cases local messages, especially for men. People dont expect tweed suits to have shawl lapels.

Style is something that you cannot teach, it has to be developed and it has to be an examination of what looks good for you and suits you. To look at something in a vacuum may not do one thing for your personal style. Which is why so many stylish people seem to do special things with conventional clothes. it worries me a little when someone they focusses on an extrinsic element to the detriment of their personal style growth.

I say this because the OP's question is important but not so much for its literal meaning as what should be the main thrust. Wearing a standard sports jacket as stylishly as you can. When that's achieved the wearer will answer their own question about shawl lapels.

And this is why I prefer to get people to think about clothes rather than hand them an off the rack answer. Teaching a man to fish vs. handing them one.

What's the message you want to send? Men generally dont get shawl lapels so they are distracting if you do. They are especially distracting on a sports jacket because you presumably already have a unique pattern.

I saw Bill Maher on his HBO show and I couldnt figure out what was wrong with his suit. I eventually realized he had some sort of extra thin lapel on a dark chalk stripe suit. I thought that was strange for someone who wanted to be taken seriously. Is he really a comedian doing a political show or is he a new breed of political commentator? He might even be confused. I couldnt get passed the skinny (I think shawl style) lapel even when i chalked it up to his being in entertainment.

Maybe he doesnt care. Clothes are unlike other items, they have multilayered meanings depending on whos wearing them and whos observing. If you are the straight and narrow, there are conventions to follow. We've been conditioned and if you break with convention you have to be confident.

For example, I love Duchamp ties (Amongst others), and theyre very English dandy. Some guy here who dresses like a beach bum and has poor personal hygiene thinks theyre crazy ties. Cant please everyone. i like the way they compliment what i wear, I know the sort of person they impress and he's not one of them.

Never say anything in 50 words when 500 are at the ready. Though what you are trying to say, as usual, escapes us all.

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Some guy here who dresses like a beach bum and has poor personal hygiene
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post #17 of 26
didn't goldfinger have a shawlcollar tweed coat when he got in his rolls after playing golf with bond????
post #18 of 26
But it would be nice to have a third option, wouldn't it?

I actually disagree with the whole "if you have to ask", "you need to have the right attitude" refrain. I think it is more about the outfit and what the meaning of the item is. Shawl lapels are relaxed, louche, and connote a certain indolence and lack of precision. They are fundamentally different from the other two options because they are round. The roundness really raises the major questions. Can they paired with angular items like ties? They almost seem to demand a cravat or silk scarf, probably round-toe slippers or loafers as well.

I can imagine a tweed jacket with shawl lapels worn with a colorful paisley scarf and round-toe velvet loafers that have contrasting colored loafers. It's not the kind of look for some one who goes to an office or socializes with people who do.
post #19 of 26
I doubt that it is done in RTW but technically a bespoke tailor could. It would certainly look odd to most eyes - you would need to determine how acceptable that is to you.
post #20 of 26
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Originally Posted by luk-cha View Post

didn't goldfinger have a shawlcollar tweed coat when he got in his rolls after playing golf with bond????

I suppose it could work if one is a 007 villain. LOL
post #21 of 26
Thread Starter 
ha ha, this thread is so old. I totally forgot about this idea.
post #22 of 26
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Originally Posted by luk-cha View Post

didn't goldfinger have a shawlcollar tweed coat when he got in his rolls after playing golf with bond????
Yes, but it was a shawl-collar suit what Gert Fröbe was wearing smile.gif
post #23 of 26
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Originally Posted by Manton View Post

Look, t_j, hot gas aside, this is just a silly thing to do, a novelty, a gimmick. It does not merely lack any traditional or historical support, it attacks them. It also has no aesthetic integrity in its own right. Nothing bad will happen to you if you do it, but you will probably look at it one day and conclude that you wasted your money, and feel sad.

Or the short term gratification of a cool and interesting look will be well worth it. If the fit is nice, the coat will look unique. Not everyone wants to wear gray flannel trousers and traditional jackets/items all the time. Looking at every item of clothing you own as an investment that will need to hold it's classic "value" over the course of ones life shows a lack of style and vision in my opinion. 


Edited by Frankie22 - 10/8/13 at 12:45pm
post #24 of 26
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Originally Posted by texas_jack View Post

I like shawl lapel. My tux is a shawl and I just enjoy the smooth look of it. Can it be done in a casual manner? Could one wear a sb shawl sportcoat in tweed?

 

Do it. If the thing fits the look will be interesting and unique. There is absolutely nothing wrong with taking a well calculated risk once in a while.  Don't listen to the traditionalists who assume everyone wants to walk around in gray flannels and a navy coat 24/7. Obviously classic looks and items are staples but basing your entire wardrobe around "safe"  and traditional items is boring and shows a lack of style. All the greats took risks. 

post #25 of 26
But I want more talk about the actual aesthetics of the thing. We all know it's unconventional and will stick out.

I think shawl collars are an interesting foray into roundedness when the other two lapel options are basically angular. Do shawl demand a club collar and no tie?

Or is the lack of angularity - this relaxedness - to be reflected in materials, patterns and an outfit that is less rigid?

The two on the right here look not bad, though they are with fairly conventional fabrics and part of suits. There's also the question of double-breasted shawl collars.

We could even be on the edge of a revolution here.
post #26 of 26

Why not go with the middle ground, and have a notch collar with rounded points?  I've seen the remaining two pieces of a black three-piece suit from the 1930s which had that kind of lapel (probably a bad idea in such a businesslike fabric), and it's not uncommon on garments of all kinds from the 1800s.  Maybe it could work in 3-button sportcoat in a heavyweight fabric.

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