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post #31 of 50
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Originally Posted by zippyh View Post
No question. Get the Daytona.

What he said.
Put it in a safe-deposit box.
Wait for the recession to end.
post #32 of 50
damn, how old are you? this is the old fogeys answer: put what the Rolex or Catier will cost into a nice mutual fund. or even half of it. but i suppose if your folks can afford that, you'll get a nice windfall when they croak.

(yes folks, jealousy IS ugly)

-Jeff
post #33 of 50
Get the rolex
post #34 of 50
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Originally Posted by mafoofan View Post

The Breguet Type XX and XXI watches are much better looking than the Daytona, in my opinion, but the movement used by them is far inferior. For comparable chronograph movements at the price of the Daytona, your choices are fairly limited: Blancpain, IWC (the Da Vinci), and JLC. Each uses a column wheel instead of a cam system.

Just curious, can you explain this further, M?
post #35 of 50
sorry, but i think the couple of comments on cartier are dumb. yeah there are better quality movements out there - but to me, the way the watch look is just as important. i'm not going to wear an not so cute Sinn just bc they have superior movements. whats the fun in that?

cartier may be hated on by a select few for being 'fashion watches' but they do have some milestones and firsts in their history as a watchmaker.

. . . and you can't deny that their designs are some of the most recognizable and unique, while also being very classic and sophisticated enough to have such long product life cycles. santos? that basic design is a bit awkward/uniq when you first see it but its so iconic and beautiful at the same time. same thing with a pasha, i was shocked to find it its first run was in the late 80's.

i'll use this analogy - on this forum we tend to go for classic, simple, authentic, and definitely quality - in our denim. some of us want a little more authenticity and are going to go with the repros with the higher waists, and more anti fit. some of us want the authenticity of that same beautiful repro denim, but we want something that makes our ass look good and not like we have droopy drawers - i'm in the latter group

so with watches some of us do want the authenticity more so they'll go with something that has a beautiful movement that isn't as recognizable like an eberhard, ball, nomos, sinn etc . . . and some of us want some of the flash and trash. i'll admit that if i'm going to be paying more than $2000 on a watch i want people to know what it is. otherwise, i'd just keep wearing my timex from target.

you just have to decide where your happy medium is.

to normal people a Daytona is going to be flash no matter what. you'll meet a couple a long the way that turn there noses up at you because they have rare collector edition JLC or Glusshutte Original, but there are a LOT more people that see Rolex as a prestigious brand than overpriced luxury

go with the one that makes you happy. thats why i will never buy a nomos, bc even though its a great value, i don't love completely. that iwc portuguese and cartier santos dumont will just have to wait till i have more money to blow.
post #36 of 50
No question - the Daytona.

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Originally Posted by brosnan6 View Post
Hey everybody....long time lurker but first time poster in these parts. I finally have a question worthy of asking here


I am being offered a few choices in watches as a graduation present and I'm having trouble deciding from my options.

Option 1- SS Rolex Daytona in white dial (the waitlist only model, but family is good friends with a jeweler who will give us his next arrival at MSRP)
Option 2- Cartier 21 Chronoscaph, part of the Ligne 21 de Cartier collection...there are 3 different styles within the extra-large sizes...one with SS/rubber combo strap, SS band w/ dark face, and SS band w/ white face.

I haven't actually seen the Cartiers in person yet, but I am planning a trip to some stores later this week

What say the style gurus about these choices? Anything else you guys would recommend? My choices are not limited to these particular models, but these are the ones I like so far. My only criteria:

-It must be a larger watch (I dislike small lightweight ones),
-It have a metal band as I cannot stand a leather strap!
post #37 of 50
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Originally Posted by acidicboy View Post
Just curious, can you explain this further, M?

The movement in the Breguet XX and XXI is based on the Lemania 1372, which in turn is a Lemania 1350 with the addition of a flyback function. Technically, the movement is 'in-house' since Breguet bought Lemania a few years ago. However, the 1350 predates Breguet's takeover by decades. The 1350 started production in 1972 as the 1340 and was designed to be an inexpensive, relatively low-end movement (it was most frequently used in Ebel watches). It does not use a column-wheel mechanism to operate the chronograph functions, but uses a cam system instead (easier to implement, but less refined in operation).

Breguet adopted the movement because they needed to revamp their watch line in the mid-90's with an affordable sport watch, and did not have the capacity to develop their own movement for it. It's just not a particularly pretty or fine movement--particularly given the price.
post #38 of 50
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Originally Posted by mafoofan View Post
It's just not a particularly pretty or fine movement--particularly given the price.

That pretty much sums up Rolex for me. It's all inhouse, which by definition makes it unique, and they function well..
But compared to the works of art you can get from GO or JLC, etc. for the same money, I would never consider rolex in this price range.

$5K for a Sub or GMT though, I'm there..
post #39 of 50
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Originally Posted by leon12 View Post
That pretty much sums up Rolex for me. It's all inhouse, which by definition makes it unique, and they function well..
But compared to the works of art you can get from GO or JLC, etc. for the same money, I would never consider rolex in this price range.

$5K for a Sub or GMT though, I'm there..

No in-house integrated chrono with a column wheel is going to be particularly elegant in design for less than $10k. I don't know enough to comment on how the Daytona's movement stacks up against the competition technically, but the JLC, IWC, and Blancpain in-house chronos aren't exactly beauty queens themselves (although their finishing is probably finer).
post #40 of 50
I guess I should ask: are you dead set on a chrono? Most people don't use chrono functions at all. A dual time or world time watch is much more useful IMO. Two JLCs are my faves here: JLC Master Compressor Geographic (I am wearing one right now) JLC Master Geographic (more elegant, can be had with a metal band) Here is the "new" version of the Master Geographic, though I don't like it as much Or how about chron function AND World Time (I actually don't care for this watch, but you might): FINALLY, should you win the lottery soon, buy this chrono for only about $110,000
post #41 of 50
My brother has the older JLC Master Geographic. He travels a lot and loves it--which says a lot since he's a very practical guy and doesn't much care for expensive watches otherwise.
post #42 of 50
may i suggest a chopard watch. i dont know the us perception of chopard but in germany they are mostly thought of jewelry by people who are not interested in watches.
they produce some jewelry-only watches but if you look in the range of their L.U.C. calibers you will find some really handsome and kind of exceptional looking watches with "in-house" movements. the price range would be from 6000 euros to above 90K (possibly even more, but i do not know).

two examples: L.U.C Tonneau with a tonneau caliber


L.U.C. Twist


and one more...reminding of the blancpain fifty fathoms(?), actually i like this one very much, i would not wear it (nor could i afford!), but i like



regards,

citoyen
post #43 of 50
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by mafoofan View Post
Between the two, the Daytona is the clear choice. Cartier watches are pretty bad values--mainly because the movements are positively junky for the price. Don't let anyone tell you the Daytona is a lesser watch because it happens to be a Rolex--it's a very nice watch, with one of the only column wheel in-house chronograph movements available for the price.

Yeah I had heard that many "watch snobs" don't like Rolex due to the commercialized status of the brand, but most of the time the comments are directed towards the style/image of the brand and not the mechanism -- something which Rolex has done very well with IMO.

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Originally Posted by mafoofan View Post
In my frank opinion, the JLC Master Compressor chonographs are hideously ugly--even though the watch may be a better make than the Daytona. The Squadra chonograph uses the same movement and is not as ugly.

Ya know, I had never really seriously looked at JLC watches before this. I'm gonna admit that the Master Compressor and Master Geographic (or the combination of Master Compressor Geographic) look seriously sexy!

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Originally Posted by mafoofan View Post
The Breguet Type XX and XXI watches are much better looking than the Daytona, in my opinion, but the movement used by them is far inferior. For comparable chronograph movements at the price of the Daytona, your choices are fairly limited: Blancpain, IWC (the Da Vinci), and JLC. Each uses a column wheel instead of a cam system.

Type XXI looks beautiful as well.


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Originally Posted by mafoofan View Post
My brother has the older JLC Master Geographic. He travels a lot and loves it--which says a lot since he's a very practical guy and doesn't much care for expensive watches otherwise.

Yeah, see above. Looks awesome!
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With all these watches, do they hold their value (or even appreciate) pretty well when compared to the Rolex? I don't want to buy a watch and have it depreciate and not be worth anything but sentimental value (which it appears that the Cartier would do if I ended up with one ). Not that there's anything wrong with sentimental value, but monetary value is something to keep in mind

Also, what do you guys have to say about IWC movements? Crap, good, average, something else? I really like the Ingenieur

Now it looks my list has a few changes to it...Cartier is out and JLC/IWC are in. I need to investigate further, but it looks like Daytona is still at the top
post #44 of 50
I don't think it's "watch snobs," just collectors. Some tend to dislike Rolex because of its mass appeal to "life snobs." The rolex ownership percentage of arrogant dicks with money to burn is fairly high (my opinion). IWC is great.. most of their movements are not fully "inhouse," but the finishing of the entire watch including the movement is better than rolex (again, my opinion). My collection is all IWC at this point. JLC is one of the best watchmaking houses there is.. they blow rolex out of the water. I don't care for their sport watches, but their dress stuff is out of this world. If you like their chronos, take a serious look at them.. Most watches will not appreciate.. Rolex is an industry leader at retaining its value. Of course, the other watches being discussed can be found at pretty steep discount (not usually true of rolex). Many argue that "a rolex holds its value better" is a myth since they depreciate less from full retail price, but other watches are almost never purchased at full retail price. So the percentage depreciation compared to the "what I actually have to pay for a new one" is about the same across most nice watch brands. All the watches discussed so far will still be worth something down the road, even the cartier.. you could check out the Sales Corner at timezone.com to get a feel for what used watches sell for.
post #45 of 50
Cartiers don't do it for me, if that is all on your wish list I would then say the Rolex Stainless Steel Daytona.

Personally if I had to choose a Rolex to wear it would be a three way tie between the Submariner, Explorer II black dial and the GMT II.

Thing is at that price point there is a lot of nice watches on the market, I am thinking the IWC Aquatimer, Pilot Chronograph, Portugese Chrono if you want a large dressy watch. I really like the retro homage Aqua Timer that looks like it came from the late 1960's.

Comes down to what you like.
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