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post #46 of 56
4/10/08 at 12:36am
So, some anecdotal evidence... I've switched from a 6-8 meals a day to a more intermittant fasting style the last two weeks, as it fits with my retardedly busy schedule better. And honestly there is no difference between the two, in terms of results.
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post #47 of 56
4/10/08 at 9:59am
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Originally Posted by lance konami View Post
Why - I can see that this discussion with you is going to go nowhere. You say that anecdotal evidence is worthless no matter what topic, yet you then agree that you would take it if it gives you results. Yet somehow, it's still worthless to you. You aren't making any sense whatsoever.
You can't see past agreement or disagreement, which is why this discussion even started in the first place. It seems as if the simple act of replying to a subject indicates disagreement to you. If something gives me results I require no evidence whatsoever; the anecdotes are totally independent of the efficacy.
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I posted the Jack Lalanne story to illustrate what the general scientific and medical consensus was back then about bodybuilding.
Which, of course, has almost nothing to do with 'remember that for years science said there was no benefit to exercising muscles in the body'.
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If enough people are getting outstanding results using certain techniques, then obviously there's something to it even though it's still anecdotal evidence.
That's where you're wrong. Anecdotal evidence (and a lot of poor scientific studies) often has a very hazy or mistaken causation. As an example: a person with knee pain goes on a gluten-free diet. They all of a sudden stop having knee pain. Therefore, the gluten-free diet is the cause! But what did they actually do? This information is totally absent. Perhaps the person who went on the gluten-free diet started eating more vegetables, fixing a vitamin deficiency. Perhaps the person lost weight, leading to less impact on the knees. Perhaps the gluten-free diet caused the person to star shopping at health food stores where they met their future rich spouse who relocated both of them to Aruba where the person does nothing but sit in a hammock by the beach all day. That's why saying 'I did X and X did Y for me' is totally silly. There's too many factors to look at.
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post #48 of 56
4/11/08 at 2:12am
Lance Konomai.... It is pointless arguing or debating with why. Why? Because why is a know-it-all with way too much time on his hands; just look at how he picks other people's posts apart. And it's not just on this particular thread either. Have a look for yourself. Oh yes, he has plenty to say about how everyone else is wrong, yet has a terrible habit of failing to disclose what is supposedly right. Why's that? Because why doesn't know any better. See my post for example. Clearly he knows jack-shit about nutrition, exercise or diet. Best just to ignore him. He's simply not worth the time.
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post #49 of 56
4/11/08 at 2:21am
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Originally Posted by Suits You Sir! View Post
Because why doesn't know any better. See my post for example. Clearly he knows jack-shit about nutrition, exercise or diet.

Dude's an ass, agreed, but he's not clueless as you posits.

Seriously, quite a few posters, both old (Lance) and new (you), need to spend more time reading old threads. Much of what some of us referred to don't really need explanations because they have been debated to death in the past.

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post #50 of 56
4/24/08 at 1:40am
Eat less.
Eat less.
Eat less.
Count your calories intakes.

The best way to speed up metabolism is still exercise more. No other way to do it. Also, better don't get on treadmill because you are obese and will hurt your knees. Elliptical will be better. And before you slim down to a reasonable level, eat less; A LOT LESS.

Go Wiki BMR for the amount of calories you need to eat to maintain your weight. Take that number, cut by half. Works everytime.

Starving will not really slow down metabolism since you have tons of extra fat to burn. Have you ever seen any fat slaves?
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post #51 of 56
4/24/08 at 1:52am
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Originally Posted by vitaminc View Post
Go Wiki BMR for the amount of calories you need to eat to maintain your weight. Take that number, cut by half. Works everytime.

Starving will not really slow down metabolism since you have tons of extra fat to burn. Have you ever seen any fat slaves?

No offense, but thats just bad advice and poor logic.
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post #52 of 56
4/25/08 at 10:19am
BMR is one enormous pile of pigshit. Ignore it. No accurate bodyfat percentage can be calculated using height, weight and gender. Muscle is heavier than fat. There is no consideration given to build-type in BMR calculations. Laughably inaccurate.
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post #53 of 56
4/25/08 at 10:27am
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Originally Posted by Suits You Sir! View Post
BMR is one enormous pile of pigshit. Ignore it. No accurate bodyfat percentage can be calculated using height, weight and gender. Muscle is heavier than fat. There is no consideration given to build-type in BMR calculations. Laughably inaccurate.
BMR is not BMI.
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post #54 of 56
4/28/08 at 1:52am
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Originally Posted by Gradstudent78 View Post
No offense, but thats just bad advice and poor logic.

Kindly point out where I was wrong please. According to OP's weight, he could at least lose 30-40 pounds from just eating less without exercising. It's not magic.

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Originally Posted by Suits You Sir! View Post
BMR is one enormous pile of pigshit. Ignore it.

No accurate bodyfat percentage can be calculated using height, weight and gender.

Muscle is heavier than fat. There is no consideration given to build-type in BMR calculations. Laughably inaccurate.

BMR is metabolism rate, not bodyfat index. Body mass is a fairly accurate measure for metabolism function as it encloses both muscle and fat components.

And too much muscle is hella nasty too. I would rather be obese than being a muscle builder.
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post #55 of 56
4/28/08 at 2:17am
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Originally Posted by vitaminc View Post
Go Wiki BMR for the amount of calories you need to eat to maintain your weight. Take that number, cut by half. Works everytime.

Starving will not really slow down metabolism since you have tons of extra fat to burn. Have you ever seen any fat slaves?

Well for starters BMR isn't the amount of calories needed to maintain your weight, it's the amount of calories the body uses at rest, so unless he does nothing but spend all day in bed he needs more calories then that to maintain his weight, so just by eating at BMR level, he should be losing weight, especially if he incorporates anytype of exercise.

Even with extra fat your body will slow down your metabolism in response to severe caloric restriction. The use of no fat slaves is a meaningless example.

Now if he restricts his calories too much it will slow his metabolism and it will make his ability to stick to the diet long term more difficult and wont do anything to help him lose weight over the long term. He'll be better off making more sensible dietary changes, with a modest caloric deficiet, and increase his activity levels.
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post #56 of 56
4/29/08 at 7:31am
Note: I didn't actually read all of the responses so forgive me if I'm just repeating.
Diet and exercise are obviously going to be the basis of increasing your metabolism. Creating more muscle will increase your basal metabolic rate. EC stacks (or ECA if you like aspirin related internal bleeding) are thermogenic and will also increase your basal metabolic rate. Ephedrine has been used clinically for over 20 years, so ignore the media hype, and use it in the proper doses if you use it at all.
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