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post #31 of 355
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I'm sorry, and you are...?

I'm sorry, and this means...?
post #32 of 355
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Originally Posted by datasupa View Post
I'm sorry, and this means...?
It'd be nice to know who exactly is calling out people on details that he clearly has no intimate knowledge with when others do. Normally when people make such bold (and miscalculated) statements, it's considered polite to introduce yourself and your background first.
post #33 of 355
Allow me to paraphrase, it means "who the fuck are you" implying the noob knows nothing of what he speaks as compared to two people who know more about denim than anyone else on the forum. Was I close?
post #34 of 355
Dead fucking on. Christ, jet. I'm almost beginning to think I might actually like you IRL. Don't you go scaring me like that.
post #35 of 355
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Were you purposefully trying to contradict yourself in the span of two sentences?

There is no contradiction here. Reread what I wrote. I'll rewrite what I wrote in bullet points to make it easier, and add a couple of points besides.


1. Many of the rationalizations for buying some expensive products over others are simply ill-informed.
2. It would be ignorant to dismiss brands like 7FAM and True Religion as "garbage" based on little or no knowledge of what constitutes "quality", which is what I see a lot of.
3) Personal preference aside, there is something to be said for the cuts and washes and construction of brands like 7FAM and True Religion.

However,
1) The margins on certain of the "niche" brands tend to be considerably lower than those for brands like 7FAM
2) The marketing budget for some of the niche brands is minimal to non-existent.
3) Certain niche brands do make objectively "better" product than the "mainstream" brands, and in general, the best product tends to be produced by "niche" companies.

What's not to understand now?
post #36 of 355
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Originally Posted by Clench Million View Post
But the quality is in general much worse than good denim in the same price range. APCs, Sugar Cane, Samurai, even Nudie or Earnest Sewn are much better quality for the price.
The quality between the brands you list varies widely. Sugarcane and Samurai are extremely well conceived and executed (note however, that this doesn't mean that, for example, the seams are less likely to blow than those on True Religion jeans). Earnest Sewns and Nudie are, objectively, about the same quality level as 7FAM and True Religion, though I greatly prefer the former to the latter brnads. APC quality is marginal these days. I like to wear the jeans because of the design and the denim, but frankly, recently, I've seen more QC problems with APC jeans than I have with any other company.

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Hell, frankly you can get 40 dollar Levis with the same quality as crap like True Religion and the washes won't look totally idiotic.
No, you can't. And those washes, idiotic or not, are pretty expensive.
post #37 of 355
Had a whole long rambly post written out here and I lost it... so it comes to bullet points.

1. I agree wholeheartedly with the sentiment that hate on certain mall brands is unjustified. I own a few pair of diesels (the washes / cuts are not at all obnoxious), as well as a pair of 7s which I've posted here in a fit pic. The quality of construction on the Diesels is outstanding, the 7s, we'll see, but they certainly do not look or fit like crap and the denim isn't bad at all.

2. Hate on TRs, but I don't find the horseshoes on the pockets to be any worse really than the back pocket stitching on 95% of all jeans in existence.

3. I can't stand Rocks. I have never seen a pair that looked good. Largely this is due, I'm sure, to the effect of the gigantic contrast-coloured Rs slapped in relief onto the back pockets, which has to be the most obnoxious thing to be so popular since the 1970s. In sum, stitching = forgivable, big Rs patched on = antichrist. The cuts are also largely very poor.

4. LA Guy, I've found Earnest Sewn quality to be really excellent, possibly the best made jeans I own, and I own quite a few pair (not as many as some, but quite a few). I would say they're better made than the nudies I own / have owned, in my experience, though the nudies have their virtues as well.

Huh, that turned out pretty rambly anyway.
post #38 of 355
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Originally Posted by LA Guy View Post
There is no contradiction here. Reread what I wrote. I'll rewrite what I wrote in bullet points to make it easier, and add a couple of points besides.
What I quoted essentially said this a) That "very male" (whatever that means) arguments such as quality and longevity for niche brands over mall brands are "simply ill-informed." b) Good niche brands have better quality denim. You made the same argument you claimed to be ill-informed earlier. You didn't have any modifiers indicating that only some of the time those arguments were ill-informed. But if by "very male arguments about quality are simply ill informed" you meant sometimes some people may say some things that are incorrect about quality, yet you agree that the quality is indeed lower than other jeans in the same price range... I think most people in this thread would be in agreement. Perhaps it was my fault for reading your post too literally. In my list of denim the "even" in "even Nudie or Earnest Sewn" was indicating that I don't think they are in the realm of Samuari but even still are a level above True Religion or Rock and Republic. Nudie and ES seem to me to have a range of quality. At the low end it is about hte same as the mall brands, but at the high end they are very well constructed.
post #39 of 355
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Originally Posted by whodini View Post
It'd be nice to know who exactly is calling out people on details that he clearly has no intimate knowledge with when others do.

I don't think you have to have an intimate knowledge of anything to know that price is not directly correlated to production costs in fashion. I mean, come on. We all know that you are paying mostly for the brand name for those jeans (or for most things in the fashion world).
post #40 of 355
i had a pair of sevens once, like two years ago. they ripped in a day. i returned them and got a pair of paper denims.
post #41 of 355
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Originally Posted by ctrlaltelite View Post
i had a pair of sevens once, like two years ago. they ripped in a day. i returned them and got a pair of paper denims.

I woke up this morning. I was still kind of tired so I hit the snooze on my alarm. A few minutes later i decided that I was hungry too, so I went to the kitchen. I briefly considered eating cereal but then noticed I had no milk, so I made eggs.
post #42 of 355
It's denim, give up the whole bullshit "quality" argument.
post #43 of 355
I have 3 pairs of juicy couture jeans that i got for free.. (2 are the exact same pair)...
even though you can tell the denim feels alot weaker, they also get washed after 10 wears or so just cause there is no point (since they are predistressed) in keeping them dirty for a long time...

here are a pair/fit pic




I DO Prefer to wear my quality raw jeans though
post #44 of 355
I like "premium" jeans on girls...they can, in fact, do wonders for an arse, as mentioned before

as for on men, I don't like anything that the general population will hype so much. I think what it comes down to is not whether the quality is top notch or not, I'm pretty sure this doesn't matter to the kids buying these jeans; It's more about the fact that they paid $300 for a pair of pants with a name on them. It's buying for the sake of being 'as cool as everyone else,' not buying for the sake of truly owning something you have intimate knowledge about.

The only analogy that comes to mind is the difference between the person who gets a gold rolex because he can and every other rich person has one and he wants to show it off (not to say it's not a excellent watch, just very popular among the wealthy, and gaudy in my opinion, but that's another debate), and the person who buys a, say, A. Lange, because he appreciates an excellent, understated watch.

Frankly, I don't understand the reasoning behind paying lots of money to look like what everybody else is trying to look like. Sure, SF has a tendency to share a certain aesthetic, but relatively speaking, we're one in god knows how many. I've yet to see a pair of raw denim on my campus, let alone meet somebody who has knowledge of what raw denim is.
post #45 of 355
I dont care for the washes on any of the premium mall jeans, but if someone like 7FAM came out with, for example, a slimfitting raw selvage buckleback jean, i would buy it without hesitation, regardless of the brand.

Since I dont have a lifestyle that incurs blowouts and tears, quality is sort of an abstract thing for me. I can tell if a jean is "quality" but a pair of $40 Levis 514 will last as long as SFx5EP, so for me it's all about fit and detail (or lack of) moreso than "quality". and brands like R&R, 7, CoH dont have the aesthetic look that I'm wanting
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