Royal oxford vs oxford

Originally Posted by AlanC

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Wow. This thread has veered horribly on track.

Originally Posted by Bird's One View

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... because we all know that only Communists and Homosexuals wear a dobby weave.

HUH????????
I don't t think that was my point.

I guess I do not get above 23rd street or below chambers street enough.

I rarely see men in OCBD in very formal business situations. Pinpoint is more popular.
Dopey, I disagree with you on "bespoke buyers from NYC" getting OCBD.
Carl

Originally Posted by Shirtmaven

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HUH???????? I don't t think that was my point. I guess I do not get above 23rd street or below chambers street enough. I rarely see men in OCBD in very formal business situations. Pinpoint is more popular. Dopey, I disagree with you on "bespoke buyers from NYC" getting OCBD. Carl
Well I know some. They are probably not the type to be your customers (you require some work to find). They are the type that use high-end MTM or whatever you want to call the offerings at Saks, Bergdorf or the fancy retailers where they buy their clothes. And pinpoint oxford is what I meant by better quality (upgrading the cloth) - it will be a finer weave than the standard Brooks or Press cloth.

Originally Posted by dopey

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And pinpoint oxford is what I meant by better quality (upgrading the cloth) - it will be a finer weave than the standard Brooks or Press cloth.

That's perhaps not quite as extreme as saying your upgraded jeans are gray flannels but pinpoint is not OCBD.

But then in my opinion OCBD should be abandoned shortly after one graduates from university and begins wearing something more formal than chinos, blazers and tweed jackets.

Originally Posted by Will

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OCBD should be abandoned shortly after one graduates from university
Unless one chooses a career in academia.

Originally Posted by Will

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But then in my opinion OCBD should be abandoned shortly after one ... begins wearing something more formal than chinos, blazers and tweed jackets.

Heaven forbid!

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Hands off Manton!

The guy just writes from his own experience & reading like we all do. He gives a personal opinion.

You want some kind of an all-knowing Sartorial God?

You want to AskManton.com and all your problems will be fixed?

Grow up.

Micky just tells you what he thinks.

You then have to decide what you think.

Same deal with every other f*cker on the Net.

YOU alone are in charge of how you dress.

- But don't get scared - It's quite a cool idea once you get used to it.

This is what we're currently grooving to 'elsewhere':

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lJIj...eature=related

I offer it only to make this post better.

M. is OK. He's just a bloke. Why build him up in to something he's not?

Read everything & everyone & then decide for yourself.

It won't kill you.

Russell.

Originally Posted by RussellStreet

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He gives a personal opinion.

"Everyone is entitled to his own opinion. No one is entitled to his own facts."
~ D. P. Moynihan.

You want some kind of an all-knowing Sartorial God?

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I'm not the one who started a website named after myself, or who got calling cards with my screename.

I haven't read this thread very carefully, but I think it's worth all of us keeping in mind that, for the vast majority of people anywhere (whether the U.S. or the U.K.), a button-down shirt is a shirt that buttons down the middle (also commonly called a 'dress shirt'). The typical professional--whether a lawyer, businessman, or doctor--doesn't dress particularly well. To him, a dress shirt is a dress shirt, 'OCBD' is a bunch of random letters, 'oxford' refers to the university, and the fact that one is wearing a 'dress shirt' at all is dressing up and a meaningful connotation of professionalism.

Originally Posted by Manton

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"Everyone is entitled to his own opinion. No one is entitled to his own facts."
~ D. P. Moynihan.

I'm not the one who started a website named after myself, or who got calling cards with my screename.

I'm with you. The more different voices on the Net the better.

- Never say never about that second point of your's though. We live in an interesting world and there is a certain value in what we do on the Internet. You can create all sorts of things in cyber space which (if you're lucky) could resonate with the wider (off-line) culture.

You know your own marketing strategy for your book & other writings best, but if I was you I'd exploit these clothing foras for all they were worth. They're free and they give you a ready-made captive audience. I'm sure I'm telling you nothing here that you don't already know.

I like FNB, his attitude to life strikes a chord with me, but unlike you and the commercial menswear forums he has nothing to actually sell. Not a mistake I'd make if I had my own forum.

I get that his site is a 'gathering place' for 'like-minded' 'enthusiasts' and all that, but what's the point at the end of the day if he can't produce a product to promote via his site?

All they're doing is just talking about clothes.

My opinion?

No advertising, no product placement = No point.

But that's only my opinion.

Best -

RS

You guys really need to get over this idea that I am on Style Forum to get rich. If it comforts you to think that, be my guest, but it's really laughable.

Originally Posted by Manton

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You guys really need to get over this idea that I am on Style Forum to get rich. If it comforts you to think that, be my guest, but it's really laughable.

No, no - I'm not saying you are. But I am floating the idea that you could be. Up to you.

I see the Internet & all these foras of ours as a woefully under-utilised tool.

The potential for promotion here is always overlooked.

Viral Marketing is only really just starting & I honestly believe that it can be absolutely the best way forward for the right product.

Originally Posted by Manton

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You guys really need to get over this idea that I am on Style Forum to get rich. If it comforts you to think that, be my guest, but it's really laughable.

What, you mean writing books about suits doesn't make you billions? I like FNB's site and have no forum allegiance. But I doubt your participation here is primarily motivated by financial profit. You'd have to be a moron. All the businesses that try to leech off of forum loyalty tend to wind up dying horrible, implosive deaths.

If your book is good (sorry to say, I haven't read it yet), it would be one of the very few good books on the subject out there. Forum members would no doubt find their way to it, regardless of your participation. It's businesses that don't have a viable product or credible customer service that abuse the trusting membership of the forums. No one here has denounced your book as trash or paid for your book only to find it's all blank pages. To me, this is a good sign it's a decent book (at least), and that you're not likely to benefit much from self-promotion here.

Originally Posted by mafoofan

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What, you mean writing books about suits doesn't make you billions? I like FNB's site and have no forum allegiance. But I doubt your participation here is primarily motivated by financial profit. You'd have to be a moron. All the businesses that try to leech off of forum loyalty tend to wind up dying horrible, implosive deaths.

If your book is good (sorry to say, I haven't read it yet), it would be one of the very few good books on the subject out there. Forum members would no doubt find their way to it, regardless of your participation. It's businesses that don't have a viable product or credible customer service that abuse the trusting membership of the forums. No one here has denounced your book as trash or paid for your book only to find it's all blank pages. To me, this is a good sign it's a decent book (at least), and that you're not likely to benefit much from self-promotion here.

Why self-promotion?

The best promotion would be slight-of-hand on the Net. (I bet that 'slight' is spelled differently in this context too...)

I agree that to really use the Net. well Mr. Manton shouldn't just post about himself & his opinions - That would be crass & very easily seen through.

But it could be done with skill & a reputation manufactured on the sly if M. was so inclined. The Net. is so open to abuse.

- An academic discussion anyway because I don't think that any of this is M.'s style.

It just interests me, that's all.

... How did we get on to this?

Back to Oxford cloth!

I'm a fan of the Brooksy regular stuff. The kind we like in England.

RS

Originally Posted by mafoofan

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No one here has denounced your book as trash

No one here, maybe. Elsewhere, trashing it is something of a cottage industry. Less lucrative than writing it, however.