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post #76 of 106
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I fixed this statement. Did you see the video I have posted a few times where they were holding a seminar on how to legally not hire US workers?

The school system is another travesty. Kids in middle school should be doing calculus, not have their hands held with gold stars.

No, I didn't see that video. Now, I do not hold it against anyone for hiring H1B people; heaven knows I have H1B nurses working for me. I just wish the US was growing enough talent. More than enough talent actually, supply side upward pressure on wages are not cool either.
post #77 of 106
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No, I didn't see that video. Now, I do not hold it against anyone for hiring H1B people; heaven knows I have H1B nurses working for me. I just wish the US was growing enough talent. More than enough talent actually, supply side upward pressure on wages are not cool either.

Here it is: http://www.youtube.com/programmersguild

The thing is H1Bs are still paid pretty damn well, like 15-20% less for engineering jobs, which helps the company's margin but takes away a job from someone working here. So long as H1Bs save company's money, it won't matter how much talent there is here. I know for nurses around where I live, since my friend's wife wanted to become one, you pretty much won't get a job as a nurse unless you speak Spanish no matter how good you are at saving lives.
post #78 of 106
One of my better friends owns bars/clubs in New York, Miami, Las Vegas, LA, and several other areas as well as a few restraunts in NY and all of them are doing much better than he anticipated and he has never sat in one college class. You can learn how to be succesful without going to college. I'm working on my third degree and I own 8 stores but I started with my company before I finished my first degree and owned my house on the lake (no debt) before I graduated with my first degree. Most of my family didn't go to college and all of them are well off. My father was very very wealthy before he even had a thought of going to school (he is in development). It is weird how clueless half of the people are today on how others make money. Degrees in no way equal success...they may help but not always.
post #79 of 106
I keep reading construction as a job where people don't go to school....most of the developers/contractors now go to college for a construction science degree. My dad got into development in the 70's when that wasn't the norm but has now gone back to school for architecture/construction science (very common double major for developers/contractors today)
post #80 of 106
I think a better question is: What do people with a college education do?

I mean, there are only so many cubicles to sit in and so many TPS reports to fill out. It is much easier to conceptualize vast herds of manual laborers IMO.
post #81 of 106
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I think a better question is: What do people with a college education do?

I mean, there are only so many cubicles to sit in and so many TPS reports to fill out. It is much easier to conceptualize vast herds of manual laborers IMO.

QFT. If it weren't for my ego, I probably wouldn't have gone to college. I have to admit that I feel like I know a lot more than most programmers because of some of the tricks I learned in college that would be hard to teach yourself. One of the craziest programmers I met didn't even finish high school and was a hillbilly redneck.

At my last job I was the only one with a college degree and I was the lowest paid. It is a paradox (in my field at least). The lower end stuff that is harder to program pays less because it is more fundamental. For example, I was offered $12/hr to program embedded chips for vending machines!! But at my last job, people were raking in $70+k for writing Excel macros and M$ Access reports. The higher up the programming language is, the easier it is to do things and the more broad range of things it can accomplish.

I originally went to college to learn how to write device drivers, which aren't easy. Now what do I do? Mainly databases with web frontends. Do I like this? No... booooooring. But it pays the skrillz.
post #82 of 106
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QFT. If it weren't for my ego, I probably wouldn't have gone to college. I have to admit that I feel like I know a lot more than most programmers because of some of the tricks I learned in college that would be hard to teach yourself. One of the craziest programmers I met didn't even finish high school and was a hillbilly redneck.

At my last job I was the only one with a college degree and I was the lowest paid. It is a paradox (in my field at least). The lower end stuff that is harder to program pays less because it is more fundamental. For example, I was offered $12/hr to program embedded chips for vending machines!! But at my last job, people were raking in $70+k for writing Excel macros and M$ Access reports. The higher up the programming language is, the easier it is to do things and the more broad range of things it can accomplish.

I originally went to college to learn how to write device drivers, which aren't easy. Now what do I do? Mainly databases with web frontends. Do I like this? No... booooooring. But it pays the skrillz.


I once wrote a Scheme (dialect of Lisp) compiler in machine code for a random PICXXXX chip. Now that was pretty painful.

Thank god I got out of CS and into Finance...

What's stopping you from writing the Excel macros and pulling in the cash?
post #83 of 106
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I think a better question is: What do people with a college education do?

I mean, there are only so many cubicles to sit in and so many TPS reports to fill out. It is much easier to conceptualize vast herds of manual laborers IMO.

I talk to the Bobs all day. When I feel like going to work and not fishing.
post #84 of 106
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I once wrote a Scheme (dialect of Lisp) compiler in machine code for a random PICXXXX chip. Now that was pretty painful.

Thank god I got out of CS and into Finance...

What's stopping you from writing the Excel macros and pulling in the cash?

I write similar things but now I have some other projects I have been focusing on.
post #85 of 106
I share the same sentiments as many of the posters, wondering just how out of touch can people really be.

The company I just got hired on at is a subsidiary of one of the largest heavy construction firms on earth. The main company employs about 45,000 people and I bet only about 20% have degrees. The other people are heavy machinery operators, CAD techs, form workers, secretaries, janitors, maintenance workers, etc.

Another company I interviewed with employs 65,000 people and it's the same idea. They hire just enough engineers to make the job official, and then hire their own workers in order to be able to keep schedule and quality up over using subcontractors.


Then think about it simply. When was the last time the OP went to a grocery store? A fast food restaurant? Sure, you'll have your occaisonal BA major asking if you want fries with that, but for the most part they don't have "formal" educations.

Hell, when I was done with HS I wanted to join the union, work my way up, and hit foreman/site boss. My old man threatened to kill me if i didn't go to college, so now I'm going for a Civil degree in heavy construction and management so i can be a field/project engineer. I'm going to be a glorified site boss without having to do the manual labor.
post #86 of 106
what i dont understand is all these people that make all this big money try to chintz on paying the tailor.
post #87 of 106
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what i dont understand is all these people that make all this big money try to chintz on paying the tailor.

There's no room for you. We'll import tailors to do it at half the price!
post #88 of 106
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what i dont understand is all these people that make all this big money try to chintz on paying the tailor.

People just taking on upper class airs and continuing a centuries old tradition of the upper class
post #89 of 106
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what i dont understand is all these people that make all this big money try to chintz on paying the tailor.
Not to be uppity or anything (I'm merely a humble engineer anyway), but I recall reading that in the Victorian era, it was far more important to pay one's debt at cards (that is, a debt to one's peers) rather than to pay "mere tradesmen," (sic) and I especially recall that tailors were one of the trades mentioned. This may have had more to do with maintaining one's image within one's social circle more than anything else, especially when the upper class was relatively poor, but still spending huge amounts on image. So maybe the attitude is a handed-down relic of aristocracy, but, perhaps, it may be just the same afterall. Certainly we have those who spend disproportional amounts on image while letting seeming essentials lack. ~ Huntsman
post #90 of 106
I don't have a college education (although I am enrolled part time just because it helps get interviews....not jobs in my experience and my field). I'll be 24 in June, work in NYC and make nearly 6 figures as a Systems Engineers.

I'm the exception to the rule through my experience, it's VERY hard to land an interview without a degree but once you get a job in IT, your pay is based on what you know, not what a piece of paper says you know.

Although I do plan on continuing my pursuit of at least my bachelors (haven't even finished my associates yet)
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