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Is this good protein?

post #1 of 46
3/15/08 at 9:22pm
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Nutrition Facts \t
\tServing Size 1 scoop(s) \t
\tServings Per Container 14 \t
\tAmount Per Serving \t \t% DV \t
\tCalories \t 130.00 \t \t
\tCalories from Fat \t 25.00 \t \t
\tTotal Fat \t 2.50 g \t 4% \t
\tSaturated Fat \t 1.50 g \t \t
\tTrans Fat \t 0.00 g \t \t
\tCholesterol \t 40.00 mg \t 13% \t
\tSodium \t 90.00 mg \t 4% \t
\tPotassium \t 240.00 mg \t 7% \t
\tTotal Carbohydrate \t 5.00 g \t 2% \t
\tDietary Fiber \t 1.00 g \t 4% \t
\tSugars \t 2.00 g \t \t
\tProtein \t 20.00 g \t 40% \t
\tCalcium \t 150.00 \t 15% \t
\tIron \t 0.72 \t 4% \t


http://www.gnc.com/product/index.jsp...entPage=family
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post #2 of 46
3/15/08 at 9:45pm
executive,

the problem is not all whey protein is created equally, you have your whey protein concentrate, isolates, etc... This product is most likely a blend of different wheys, most of it being concentrate, which is isn't that great to begin with. Really just depends on your goals, if you are just to add mass, it's ok. If you are trying to lean out, try using a whey protein isolate post workout (with some carbs), or if you need a daytime/nighttime blend something containing egg white protein, micellar casein, and maybe some whey isolate.

I suggest looking into trueprotein.com, you can make your own blend or buy a premade custom blend, prices are great and quality is top notch.


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post #3 of 46
3/17/08 at 1:47am
The type of whey you take depends on several factors. For one, what is your goal? Secondly, what is your body type? Are you an ectomorph, endomorph, or a mesomorph? Go to this site for the explanations of those terms if you don't know it yet...

http://www.dummies.com/WileyCDA/Dumm...It.id-488.html
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post #4 of 46
3/17/08 at 11:54am
Types of whey have nothing to do with either body type or goals. It has more to do with personal tolerance. If you're not as lean or muscular as you'd like, I guarantee that it's not the kind of whey you're using that's holding you back. Don't overthink it, it's just protein. If you can eat it and it doesn't give you massive amounts of gas, then it's fine. If it makes you bloat, gives you weapons-grade flatulence, or you don't like how it mixes, then try something else. The only time you'd *need* whey isolate would be if you are severely lactose intolerant.
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post #5 of 46
3/17/08 at 12:11pm
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Originally Posted by Philosoph View Post
Types of whey have nothing to do with either body type or goals. It has more to do with personal tolerance. If you're not as lean or muscular as you'd like, I guarantee that it's not the kind of whey you're using that's holding you back. Don't overthink it, it's just protein..

Amen. Also, avoid wasting your money on whey and casein blends. You can achieve the same thing by adding milk to whey protein. Please ignore the post that said body type should determine what kind of protein you consume
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post #6 of 46
3/17/08 at 12:16pm
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Originally Posted by Philosoph View Post
Types of whey have nothing to do with either body type or goals. It has more to do with personal tolerance. If you're not as lean or muscular as you'd like, I guarantee that it's not the kind of whey you're using that's holding you back. Don't overthink it, it's just protein. If you can eat it and it doesn't give you massive amounts of gas, then it's fine. If it makes you bloat, gives you weapons-grade flatulence, or you don't like how it mixes, then try something else. The only time you'd *need* whey isolate would be if you are severely lactose intolerant.

Wow, just dispelling what I'm saying that easily, huh? Depending on what part of the training you are in or whether you've got a lot of fat you need to shread, I think it is important to consider the type or mixture of protein you take. For example, there is a lot of difference between a Muscle Milk shake which is high in carbs, fat and with a whey/caesin mix (32g protein) and a Natures Best Isopure Whey shake which has 0 fat, 0 carbs and 50g of protein isolate. I mean, at the end of the day, he can just pile on the Optimum Nutrition which is cheap and effective, but I feel nasty after a glass of their stuff.
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post #7 of 46
3/17/08 at 12:25pm
He's discounting what you said because he's right and you're wrong.

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Originally Posted by hahnb
Amen. Also, avoid wasting your money on whey and casein blends. You can achieve the same thing by adding milk to whey protein. Please ignore the post that said body type should determine what kind of protein you consume

No, you would not be achieving the same thing because milk has lactose in it and many milk protein isolates and casein/whey blends do not.
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post #8 of 46
3/17/08 at 12:36pm
So, goals have nothing to do with what type of protein you're taking? Are the goals for someone working out allways the same? Should a person easily prone to fat not choose a low cars/low fat version if he/she is going to be consuming 2-3 shakes/day? Don't just say I'm wrong. That's condescending and just rude. Address these concerns. I'm always open to more information.
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post #9 of 46
3/17/08 at 1:54pm
In your post above, you didn't say types of protein, you said the type of whey depended on goals. That is absurd. Whether you're using whey concentrate, isolate, or hydrolysate has absolutely nothing to do with your goals. It has to do with personal preference/tolerance and the amount of money you're willing to shell out. I would also say that type of protein has little to do with goals, as long as it's not soy (debatably). All proteins are low carb and low fat. That's why they're proteins and not carbs or fat. Which has less carbs and less fat, 20g of milk protein or 20g of tuna protein? the answer is neither, because both are 20g of protein, 0g carbs, 0g fat. If there are lots of carbs in the "protein" you're drinking, then stop buying mass gain shakes and just buy protein. The amount of carbs and fat in any reasonable protein shake are negligible. No, people's goals are not always the same. Protein, however, is always the same and you should get it from a variety of sources.
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post #10 of 46
3/17/08 at 1:57pm
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Originally Posted by why View Post

No, you would not be achieving the same thing because milk has lactose in it and many milk protein isolates and casein/whey blends do not.

So what, that's a minimal difference that will equate to nothing at all. There is some really bad advice being thrown around in here minus Philosoph. A fast acting protein like a whey only product can be turned into a blend by simply adding milk. If you want to waste your money, be my guest.
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post #11 of 46
3/17/08 at 2:14pm
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Originally Posted by Philosoph View Post
In your post above, you didn't say types of protein, you said the type of whey depended on goals. That is absurd. Whether you're using whey concentrate, isolate, or hydrolysate has absolutely nothing to do with your goals. It has to do with personal preference/tolerance and the amount of money you're willing to shell out.

I would also say that type of protein has little to do with goals, as long as it's not soy (debatably). All proteins are low carb and low fat. That's why they're proteins and not carbs or fat. Which has less carbs and less fat, 20g of milk protein or 20g of tuna protein? the answer is neither, because both are 20g of protein, 0g carbs, 0g fat. If there are lots of carbs in the "protein" you're drinking, then stop buying mass gain shakes and just buy protein. The amount of carbs and fat in any reasonable protein shake are negligible.

No, people's goals are not always the same. Protein, however, is always the same and you should get it from a variety of sources.

I agree with you completely here. It was my mistake to use the word "whey" in my sentence when I was thinking purely of the different protein powder mixes that are available today. I still stand by my statement that he just shouldn't go out and get any protein powder and be done with it. I think I was not clear, but I am referring to the different protein powder blends avaiable from the different manufacturers. Of course, his protein should come from different sources, there should be carbs as well as fat in his diet as well, and there should be spaced out meals with good rehydration. I just don't think he can just go to GNC and do an ennie minnie minney moe and pick just anything.

I have a feeling, however, that we are discussing towards the same point here.
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post #12 of 46
3/17/08 at 2:15pm
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Originally Posted by hahnb View Post
So what, that's a minimal difference that will equate to nothing at all. There is some really bad advice being thrown around in here minus Philosoph. A fast acting protein like a whey only product can be turned into a blend by simply adding milk. If you want to waste your money, be my guest.

How about lactose intolerance.

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Originally Posted by Philosoph View Post
In your post above, you didn't say types of protein, you said the type of whey depended on goals. That is absurd. Whether you're using whey concentrate, isolate, or hydrolysate has absolutely nothing to do with your goals. It has to do with personal preference/tolerance and the amount of money you're willing to shell out.

I would also say that type of protein has little to do with goals, as long as it's not soy (debatably). All proteins are low carb and low fat. That's why they're proteins and not carbs or fat. Which has less carbs and less fat, 20g of milk protein or 20g of tuna protein? the answer is neither, because both are 20g of protein, 0g carbs, 0g fat. If there are lots of carbs in the "protein" you're drinking, then stop buying mass gain shakes and just buy protein. The amount of carbs and fat in any reasonable protein shake are negligible.

No, people's goals are not always the same. Protein, however, is always the same and you should get it from a variety of sources.

To play a little devil's advocate, proteins from different sources can vary in amino acid composition. The soy you bring up has much lower levels of lysine than animal protein for instance.
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post #13 of 46
3/17/08 at 3:00pm
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Originally Posted by hahnb View Post
A fast acting protein like a whey only product can be turned into a blend by simply adding milk. If you want to waste your money, be my guest.

Milk costs more than than the proteins derived from it everywhere I've lived.

Besides, your argument is pretty silly. I can turn Honey Nut Cheerios into 'protein' by adding milk, but in that case (just as with yours), it ceases to be the same product.
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post #14 of 46
3/17/08 at 3:49pm
I can't believe there is a heated argument over a supplement you don't really need anyway.

Buy some cottage cheese and shut the hell up.

And if you are lactose intolerant, buy some chicken breast and shut the hell up.

I wonder if all of you put as much thought and effort to maintaining the proper form while lifting as you do in pointless minutea of unnecessary supplementation.

PS here's a little fun fact you can flame me for all you want, yet will change nothing - consuming more than 20-30 grams of protein during one sitting is not only pointless, but can lead to long term digestive problems. Think about that next time you feel like fattening Wieder's wallet with one of your 8 scoop protein shakes.
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post #15 of 46
3/17/08 at 4:00pm
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Originally Posted by SJTrance View Post
I agree with you completely here. It was my mistake to use the word "whey" in my sentence when I was thinking purely of the different protein powder mixes that are available today. I still stand by my statement that he just shouldn't go out and get any protein powder and be done with it. I think I was not clear, but I am referring to the different protein powder blends avaiable from the different manufacturers. Of course, his protein should come from different sources, there should be carbs as well as fat in his diet as well, and there should be spaced out meals with good rehydration. I just don't think he can just go to GNC and do an ennie minnie minney moe and pick just anything.

I have a feeling, however, that we are discussing towards the same point here.

From what you said here, it sounds like it. A minimum of research might be necessary to find a good product, but I'm not really convinced that some of the "ultra quality" products offer substantially greater benefits than simply "good" products. I'm really not in a position to spend tons of money on supplements, so as long as my protein doesn't give me gas or indigestion, I'm happy.

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To play a little devil's advocate, proteins from different sources can vary in amino acid composition. The soy you bring up has much lower levels of lysine than animal protein for instance.

Good point. I might have sounded like I was neglecting this. Protein is protein, but because different proteins have different amounts/breakdowns of aminos,

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Originally Posted by Philosoph View Post
you should get it from a variety of sources.
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