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post #91 of 208
Just checked, in 1908 Villa hadn't won a premiership since the turn of the century, so Man U were almost certainly a better side at the time.

p.s. my country was 7 years old at the time not 5 and Dally M would have pwned Churchill's fat arse.
post #92 of 208
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So one league title. Aston Villa were the big guns back then. Spurs were not even in the Football League in 07/08 so they were hardly giants. Stop assuming history doesn't exist and things don't change just because your own country was only formed 5 years ago.

Sorry Humpy I'll not make a joke about the manly art of diving ever again. Well if I do you can be assured that I wont exaggerate the historical importance of one particular lot of Northern Gits or another lot of Southern Fairies.

What about the manly art of running for 10 seconds, getting tired so swapping the whole team over?
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Just checked, in 1908 Villa hadn't won a premiership since the turn of the century, so Man U were almost certainly a better side at the time.

p.s. my country was 7 years old at the time not 5 and Dally M would have pwned Churchill's fat arse.
I don't like Churchill.
post #93 of 208
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What about the manly art of running for 10 seconds, getting tired so swapping the whole team over?

Although American football is not my favourite game at least it contains elements of all truly great sports, athleticism, courage, grit, determination. You have got to admire the balls it takes to even stand on the same field as a bunch of 400 pound armour plated gorillas let alone tackle or be tackled by one.
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Although American football is not my favourite game at least it contains elements of all truly great sports, athleticism, courage, grit, determination. You have got to admire the balls it takes to even stand on the same field as a bunch of 400 pound armour plated gorillas let alone tackle or be tackled by one.

Stamina? If you want balls go for Rugby, they weigh the same and can actually run for 80 minutes as well, and only wear a bit of padding at most. And no I'm not a rugby player or a fan.
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Stamina? If you want balls go for Rugby, they weigh the same and can actually run for 80 minutes as well, and only wear a bit of padding at most. And no I'm not a rugby player or a fan.

Can't deny that there are some big lads playing Rugby but very few Rugby players weigh as much or are as brutally powerful as American Football linemen and none but the most elite rugby players are as fast and athletic as the guys who run the ball (running backs wide recievers etc). Also in Rugby all or many of the players get to have a nice breather everytime there is a breakdown, ruck, mall, scrum, lineout, penalty etc. For stamina try Rugby League.

However, stamina itself is not really indicative of great sports exept where it helps to bring out those other qualities. For example the grit and determination required to attempt that Hail Mary (in the vernacular of our leftpodian friends) to win the match/game in the final seconds. Many sports require great stamina but are hardly noteworthy except as tests of stamina. Marathon running for example is a very difficult thing to do but hardly a great sport. On the other hand at least marathon is not a lowest common denominator sport like soccer which virtually anyone can play and most can play reasonably well with a bit of practice.
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post #96 of 208
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Can't deny that there are some big lads playing Rugby but very few Rugby players weigh as much or are as brutally powerful as American Football linemen and none but the most elite rugby players are as fast and athletic as the guys who run the ball (running backs wide recievers etc). Also in Rugby all or many of the players get to have a nice breather everytime there is a breakdown, ruck, mall, scrum, lineout, penalty etc. For stamina try Rugby League.
However, stamina itself is not really indicative of great sports exept where it helps to bring out those other qualities. For example the grit and determination required to attempt that Hail Mary (in the vernacular of our leftpodian friends) to win the match/game in the final seconds. Many sports require great stamina but are hardly noteworthy except as tests of stamina. Marathon running for example is a very difficult thing to do but hardly a great sport. On the other hand at least marathon is not a lowest common denominator sport like soccer which virtually anyone can play and most can play reasonably well with a bit of practice.

Is rugby league not rugby? The 100m sprint requires more stamina than American football FFS, if you like watching men spank each other and running into each other that's your choice, I prefer watching sports played by someone with skill and all round athleticism, not someone who's so unfit they're lucky to reach 55.
post #97 of 208
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Is rugby league not rugby? The 100m sprint requires more stamina than American football FFS, if you like watching men spank each other and running into each other that's your choice, I prefer watching sports played by someone with skill and all round athleticism, not someone who's so unfit they're lucky to reach 55.

Come on the "spank each other" comment is a bit homophobic.

American football players depending on the position have a different kind of stamina than you may be aware of. Say for example you are lifting weights and you go for a personal best dead lift after ramping up with heavy triples, doubles and singles, you are going to be pretty stuffed and it may have taken only 15 minutes and maybe 10 ~ 15 movements. Imagine having a 5 minute break and then trying to do it again and then try doing that for 3 or 4 hours! That's the kind of stamina those massive dudes have, they repeat short bursts of extreme physical exertion over an extended period. You say they don't have stamina, I say you have no idea about sport at all.

And no Rugby and Rugby League are completely different sports. Football has a strong element of skill sure, but so do darts, ping pong and curling and as for all round athleticism give me a break, where is the strength the power, or even the stamina when you get to stand with hands on hips for the half of the game that the ball isn't in your half of the pitch. (depending on if you are a forward or a defender).
post #98 of 208
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Come on the "spank each other" comment is a bit homophobic.
American football players depending on the position have a different kind of stamina than you may be aware of. Say for example you are lifting weights and you go for a personal best dead lift after ramping up with heavy triples, doubles and singles, you are going to be pretty stuffed and it may have taken only 15 minutes and maybe 10 ~ 15 movements. Imagine having a 5 minute break and then trying to do it again and then try doing that for 3 or 4 hours! That's the kind of stamina those massive dudes have, they repeat short bursts of extreme physical exertion over an extended period. You say they don't have stamina, I say you have no idea about sport at all.
And no Rugby and Rugby League are completely different sports. Football has a strong element of skill sure, but so do darts, ping pong and curling and as for all round athleticism give me a break, where is the strength the power, or even the stamina when you get to stand with hands on hips for the half of the game that the ball isn't in your half of the pitch. (depending on if you are a forward or a defender).

But rugby league is a kind of rugby football, otherwise it wouldn't have been called rugby? Strength - kicking the ball so it goes at 60mph, heading the ball so it doesn't rip your head off. Stamina - a midfielder will run (both jogging and sprinting) for roughly a half marathon over a match. What other sports are proper sports other than American football?
post #99 of 208
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But rugby league is a kind of rugby football, otherwise it wouldn't have been called rugby? Strength - kicking the ball so it goes at 60mph, heading the ball so it doesn't rip your head off. Stamina - a midfielder will run (both jogging and sprinting) for roughly a half marathon over a match. What other sports are proper sports other than American football?

American football and football are both football so they are they same game otherwise they wouldn't be called football?

Kicking a ball doesn't take great strength it is all timing.
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American football and football are both football so they are they same game otherwise they wouldn't be called football?
Rugby union and rugby league are both rugby, Americans call American football "football" just like everybody else calls football "football" - they are both football. Rugby union and rugby league are almost the same, that's why players can switch codes with relative ease, you would never see an American football player playing soccer professionally or a soccer player playing American football professionally, its like racing cars, the basics are the same but there are a few small but key differences that take time to adjust to
Kicking a ball doesn't take great strength it is all timing.
What if you want to kick it really really hard?

Which sports other than American football are "worthy" sports to you? Please don't say sumo wrestling, that's just fat people groping each other.
post #101 of 208
Sorry Humpy you are just displaying your ignorance, you've obviously never played Rugby or Rugby League and probably never watched a full game of either.

There are plenty of great sports in the world, you mentioned Sumo which like American Football is not one of my favorites but it is certainly not just fat guys pushing each other around. Sumo is blighted by match fixing at the moment. Sumo is not a good example but other combat sports are examples of great sports. The noble art for example contains all the elements, both physical and mental, to make it great. Again football lacks many of these physical elements and all of the mental elements. Just think which you could do more easily, stand on the same pitch as David Beckham or in the same ring as Manny Pacquiao?

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post #102 of 208

My favorites are Nelson Mandela and Douglas MacArthur, I’ve read many magazines and articles about them. They were the true heroes and they are surely my heroes.

post #103 of 208
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Sorry Humpy you are just displaying your ignorance, you've obviously never played Rugby or Rugby League and probably never watched a full game of either.
There are plenty of great sports in the world, you mentioned Sumo which like American Football is not one of my favorites but it is certainly not just fat guys pushing each other around. Sumo is blighted by match fixing at the moment. Sumo is not a good example but other combat sports are examples of great sports. The noble art for example contains all the elements, both physical and mental, to make it great. Again football lacks many of these physical elements and all of the mental elements. Just think which you could do more easily, stand on the same pitch as David Beckham or in the same ring as Manny Pacquiao?
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I'd rather be on the same pitch as both those two and get them to fight each other, but that's a for a different thread. Sport doesn't have to be dangerous or scary to play to be worth watching.
post #104 of 208
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My favorites are Nelson Mandela and Douglas MacArthur, I’ve read many magazines and articles about them. They were the true heroes and they are surely my heroes.

You know the annoying pixilation on Japanese porn? Blame Douglas MacArthur.
post #105 of 208
i don't know a lot about sports but ice hockey looks a hella more brutal than american football
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