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post #31 of 208
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Originally Posted by jeskali View Post
In no particular order

George Bush
Jimmy Carter
Jagoff Running Iran
Hugo Chavez
Idi Amin
Ghaddafi
Castro
Nancy Pelosi
Barbara Boxer
Musharaff
Ayatolla Khomeini
Kofi Annan
Yasser Arafat
Bashar Al-Assad

You forgot Иосиф Сталин, Pol Pot and Kim Jong-Il
post #32 of 208
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You forgot Иосиф Сталин, Pol Pot and Kim Jong-Il

And of course leader No. 1:



Jon.
post #33 of 208
Albus Dumbledore.
post #34 of 208
Napoleon I Pericles
post #35 of 208
Hannibal.
Alexander.
Lincoln
FDR
Churchill
post #36 of 208
Louis XIV Cardinal Richelieu Cardinal Mazarin--Mazarin was apparently quite fond of luxury goods--always a good thing; when he was on his deathbed surrounded by his expensive goods, he intoned, "To think that I have to leave all this behind," or something to that effect.
post #37 of 208
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And of course leader No. 1:



Jon.
Jon,

You beat me to it.
post #38 of 208
Firstly, everyone in a leading position has to be per definition, ruthless and also corrupt and at least a bit of a hypocrit- those are simply the rules of the game. Secondly I have not known any leader great or not personally so in the end could not say how accomplished a person he was. (Thou shall not judge and all that.)

Judging from the historical records I like Alexander III of Macedonia for his charisma and utterly crazy visionary delusions, emperor Nero for feeling a closeness of character and maybe Queen Ranavalona of Madagascar...as well as Catharina di Medici..

p.s. Kleomenes III was also cool: the last Spartan king of any worth, btw...
post #39 of 208
Bumpy Johnson
Malcolm X
Lyndon Johnson
Gandhi
Pope John Paul
Mandela
Cab Calloway
Robert H. Prince, Jr.-author of "Foot prince in the snow"
post #40 of 208
Caractacus, Boudica, Hannibal, Zenobia & Spartacus.
Bloody Romans.
post #41 of 208
Genghis Khan

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Lincoln's great contribution as a president in the civil war was his management of his general staff. The one he inherited was seriously flawed and it required him to nearly completely turn it over before the end of the war to find a formula for victory. He found it in Grant and Grant brought with him Sherman. That was the key. A lesson our current president would have been well served to learn much earlier in his term.

Lincoln was in no way a great President as the history books would have you believe. He had some very very big flaws in his Presidency, but since no one was alive back then no one bitches. They say it's human nature to think the past was better than it actually was, good or bad, and I think that's the case with Lincoln.
post #42 of 208
Napoleon I
Brasidas
Hadrian
post #43 of 208
I've given this question a lot of thought, especially now that I'm finishing up my polisci/history degree. I've come to:

Cyrus the Great
Churchill
..and Captain Jean-Luc Picard.


Yes, I'm serious about the third one.
post #44 of 208
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Bumpy Johnson
Malcolm X
Lyndon Johnson
Ghandi
Pope John Paul
Mandela
Cab Calloway
Robert H. Prince, Jr.-author of "Foot prince in the snow"
lol....Bumpy, if we're naming gangters, the thread got that much more interesting.
post #45 of 208
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Genghis Khan



Lincoln was in no way a great President as the history books would have you believe. He had some very very big flaws in his Presidency, but since no one was alive back then no one bitches. They say it's human nature to think the past was better than it actually was, good or bad, and I think that's the case with Lincoln.
I didn't want to say it......but I understand that everybody has their own opinion.
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