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post #181 of 208
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He might have been right and every legendary figure has its shadowy part of their souls..
For Mandela, the limit between freedom fighters and terrorists is as always subject to interpretation.

I wasn't saying it diminishes him in anyway, everyone has their "faults."(if you want to call it one)
post #182 of 208
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Who can call Gandhi a racist liar and Mandela a terrorist aprt from an Empire apologist?


Seriously.

 

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He might have been right and every legendary figure has its shadowy part of their souls..
For Mandela, the limit between freedom fighters and terrorists is as always subject to interpretation.


 

Yet, we rarely extend this type of moral relativism to European historical entities and movements, domestic or international.

 

post #183 of 208
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Seriously.



 
Yet, we rarely extend this type of moral relativism to European historical entities and movements, domestic or international.

I agree and disagree. People still admire people like Jefferson and Washington tho they might feel the need to clarify their disagreements with slavery or whatever.
post #184 of 208

This is true.

 


Edited by death shot - 4/5/12 at 11:41am
post #185 of 208
sherman t. potter.
post #186 of 208

Lawrence Summers ;)

post #187 of 208
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(as a player)
post #188 of 208

ECM really shines when Eberhard takes the reins.

 

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post #189 of 208
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Originally Posted by lee lin View Post

could be a president, prime minister, general, etc...


Caracalla.

post #190 of 208

Caracallas.

post #191 of 208
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Originally Posted by Ken Spinozza View Post

Caracallas.

You might at least get his nickname right! Aside from making Roman citizenship universal, I don't recall anything much else substantive that he accomplished while emperor.
post #192 of 208
I feel like ceasing my membership on this forum after reading this thread.
post #193 of 208

Talking, talking.

post #194 of 208

someone like Goebbels

 

its need a great man to make one country obey like an automaton

post #195 of 208
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someone like Goebbels

its need a great man to make one country obey like an automaton

Not much of a family man..
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