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post #16 of 131
I think Jeff, the seller, changes the names of his suits every so often.

I actually have a Mantoni tuxedo that I purchased from him a few years ago and while the quality is good, it's certainly not top of the line as in RL Purple Label or something like that. I would put it at around the same quality as a mid-range off-the-rack brand like Hugo Boss, Tommy Hilfiger or Calvin Klein. It's not quite up to the level of my Joseph Abboud suits or a Canali, but it's not bad.

Also for the price point ($140 at the time) and considering I wear my tux maybe once or twice a year, it was well worth the investment.

The other point to make is, he provides excellent customer service. I am a 42L as well and the first tux he sent me was incorrectly marked. He responded immediately to my e-mail, paid for the return shipping and sent out the proper sized one immediately.
post #17 of 131
I dunno-- I asked him about the "Valentino" suits, whether separate pants were available, whether the ones with the same color and fabric description as the "Baroni" would match.

He seemed offended by the suggestion. Heh.
post #18 of 131
I have a Baroni suit from Spardello's in North Providence, RI... bought back when I didn't know better. I have to say that for $200 completely tailored, I was surprised by how much suit I got. I also got a Baroni cashmere overcoat... $250 and made with 100% cashmere; tailored as well, I couldn't really go wrong. They were gifts, so I didn't pay for any of it.

Both say they're Made in Italy (like a Gucci handbag is made in Italy) and I've had them for over 2 years now... the quality is impressive for the price. I wear the coat almost every day, and it looks new, but that's cashmere for ya.

If you get it cheap enough, they aren't bad for basic pieces.

As for Spardello's... they aren't the best tailors, their selection doesn't get better than Baroni, they charge too much (the jacket started at $1600), you need to negotiate like you were buying a car and don't even THINK about asking for a refund.
post #19 of 131
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Originally Posted by Bradford View Post
I think Jeff, the seller, changes the names of his suits every so often.

I actually have a Mantoni tuxedo that I purchased from him a few years ago and while the quality is good, it's certainly not top of the line as in RL Purple Label or something like that. I would put it at around the same quality as a mid-range off-the-rack brand like Hugo Boss, Tommy Hilfiger or Calvin Klein. It's not quite up to the level of my Joseph Abboud suits or a Canali, but it's not bad.

Also for the price point ($140 at the time) and considering I wear my tux maybe once or twice a year, it was well worth the investment.

The other point to make is, he provides excellent customer service. I am a 42L as well and the first tux he sent me was incorrectly marked. He responded immediately to my e-mail, paid for the return shipping and sent out the proper sized one immediately.
I'm sure the M. Valentino comes from a different source than the Baroni...or, at least it's a very different product line from the same source. They are cut very differently and the fabrics are way different too. I don't think this is simply renaming an existing product.

The M. Valentino's don't have pants available separately at all. But the Baroni's do. The Mantoni's are made by the same source as the Baroni's, but it is definitely the lowest cost/price line.
post #20 of 131
Seems like the option to buy a 2nd set of pants used to be much more commonplace years ago.

Having a hard time calculating how true to size the Marco Valentino suits are??
post #21 of 131
I have a Marco Valentino that's in for alterations at the moment. I ended up getting a 40R, which is consistent with sizing in canali, corneliani & zegna. My actual chest measurements are 41 3/4" normal, 42 5/8" deep inhale, 40 7/8" full exhale. Shoulder circumference is 46 5/8". I originally ordered a 42R from Jeff and it was definitely too big in both the shoulders and chest. In terms of length, I probably should have tried a short. I'm 5'9" and the Reg is a little over an inch long in the sleeves and 1/2-3/4" in overall length. Again, I'd say this is consistent with what I've seen from the Italian conservative makers. The ad copy on ebay where he says the cut is like really fashion-forward Italian brands is probably overstated. I think the waist suppression is a shade more than Canali, but not as much as Dolce, Prada etc. Also, the more modern cut brands tend to run slimmer & truer to size, since their 42Rs fit me through the chest & shoulders. Fabric is nice but a little delicate (150s). Tailoring detail seems good to me, but I'm not an expert. It's canvassed and has nice drape & lapel roll. Dealing with Jeff was easy & pleasant. I originally got a 42R, told him a I wanted to try a 40R and he sent the 40R out. He let me hang onto both to compare and then send the one I liked least back. Edit: In case it's of interest, I received a refund from the Wiz 4 days after I mailed the extra size suit back. Overall, the customer service is substantially better than what I'm used to getting online.
post #22 of 131
I own a 2-button SB peak lapel side vented Marco Valentino in a Super 150s in a subtle Navy "Black Watch" plaid with plain front pants. I agree with MAF that the fabric is quite delicate (really a tropical-weight wool), but the quality of the workmanship in undeniable. I especially appreciate the pick stitching and the (albeit faux) ticket pocket.

I always get compliments when I wear this suit - one female acquaintance told me that it looked "sexy"...I can live with that.
post #23 of 131
I got a M. Valentino in Navy when I first got interested in this stuff. It is quite a bit nicer than the Hugo Boss suits I have. I think it is fully canvassed and it has lots of pick stitching. The fabric is very delicate feeling, but has a nice drape and sheen to it. I think I paid 279 shipped with the AAAC discount. I also have some of Jeffs ties which are quite nice as well. The tailor I go to is a custom clothes guy and he sells suits from the same source and was familiar with it. He was really shocked when I told him what I paid and said he sells them for 6-700 so I feel like I got a nice deal.
post #24 of 131
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Does he also sell Keyton, Ralf Lauren, George Armani???

post #25 of 131
I guess it's time for me to chime in. First off if I seemed offended in a reply I am sorry. I try to blast through anywhere from 200-300 inquiries a day so usually I am in a hurry.

Okay! Believe me when I tell you guys I have nothing to do with labels or manufacturing. Mantoni, Enzo and Fiorelli is Gruppo Bravo-->> http://www.gruppobravo.com/Suit.html

Enzo is their high line., Mantoni mid line and Giorgio Fiorelli is their bargain line.

Baroni is Baroni and does not sell under any other name but they do change label design every so often so a suit might come with a GB Baroni label, or a Baroni couture label. Baroni's Italian line which has been discontinued will come with a GB Baroni "Made In Italy" label.

Marco Valentino is a completely different company not to be confused with the couture designer Valentino Gravani. I get a lot of people asking me if they are the same designer or accuse me of trying to play off Valentino Gravani but to be honest I have nothing to do with labels or names. To me that kind of accusation is like saying I am trying to pass off Wilbur Grant as Grant Smith.

I am not any different than any other retailer when it comes to finding my lines to sell. I go to the Las Vegas, "MAGIC" convention twice a year and walk the floor for 2-3 days. When I find something that I love, I bring on the line and sell it. I do not stock inventory, sew in labels, have employees or really mess with anything other than opening up one big box from my suppliers and put the suits into smaller boxes to ship to the customer. It's really just that simple and I seriously do not have the time for name games, label changing or any other type of nonsense.

When it comes to mixing and matching slacks Baroni is golden. Baroni yarn dyes their fabrics so if you snag your slacks years from now we can replace them with an exact match. Marco Valentino on the other hand is a hit or miss. They make slacks and they make suits. Sometimes they may have a solid navy or black pants to swap out but it will be a one shot deal as the next season's delivery will most likely not match.

The keyhole lapel button hole has always confused me. I understand most experts claim the strait bar is an indication of quality but my cheapest poly/rayon suit has a working strait bar and Baroni has a working keyhole. I can't imagine there is any price difference to make a button hole regardless of style, and if there was a difference logically to me it would take more work to make a keyhole than a strait slit. I dunno.... I guess this one is over my head because for the life of me I can't ever remember noticing anyone's (Including my own) lapel button hole style in my 46 years of life on this planet.
post #26 of 131
Welcome to Style Forum Jeff.
post #27 of 131
FWIW, I bought a SBPL tuxedo from Jeff and found the quality very satisfactory. Fully canvassed, lots of pick stitching and a fabric that drapes well. We are not talking Isaia here, but certainly much better than anything that retails in the price range. The trousers are more cheaply made in terms of the waistband and closing mechanism, but still decent. The cut is modern and structured (though comfortable) and suits my body type well. All in all, I would give it a fairly strong recommendation.

Jeff was also very easy to deal with and even knocked a few dollars off after shipping was delayed.
post #28 of 131
I have had a superb experience dealing with Jeff, and could not be happier with my MV suits.

As a relatively senior investment banker, I wear suits pretty much every work day and my closet runs the gamut of BB to Brioni. I find the MVs to be exceptional value for what I paid for them.
post #29 of 131
I just bought a suit from Jeff yesterday... I'll tell you how it turns out!
post #30 of 131
I have both a navy and a camel 100 per cent cashmere Baroni overcoat from Jeff and I can guarantee you won't find anything of comperable value on the planet. He is a genuinely honest decent guy and a pleasure to deal with. I sized down from my normal 40R to a 38R for the overcoats and I don't believe a bespoke job would fit me better.
I don't have any of his suits because I simply have enough Corneliani and Carusos and don't need any more - but I do know he has 100s of satisfied customers here in Australia. You can be snobbish about labels and handwork all you want, but that's irrelevant to the guy in the street who just wants to look decent for the best price possible. And that's what Jeff gives you.
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