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post #16 of 43
Wonderful post. Made me think of a woman I loved (feeling not reciprocated) who sent me a Christmas card; the outside of it was embossed with her initials. EDIT: I should explain it was a very elegant cream card, that had a Christmas message written it. It was not a 'Christmas card' as such. Odd how I still think she should be represented properly. Heh.
post #17 of 43
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Engraved stationery is extremely expensive, most people would never guess how much they cost. They are about as indefensible as the jet: a pure self-indulgent luxury.
Uh, no. The price differential between thermographed stationery and engraved stationery is not that significant in larger quantities. Obviously, you have to buy the die, but even that's not that expensive when amortized over larger quantities of paper.
post #18 of 43
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I think the most luxurious item one can have in personalized stationary is a customized watermark, which is an expensive proposition indeed, somewhere in the range of about $1000+ for a customized watermark (just for the actual metal die, sans actual stationary). To put this into perspective, the only time I have seen anyone utilize a custom watermark is the MBNA corporation, which utilizes a custom watermark of their logo in all their stationary. Of, course one must consider that they are one of the largest credit card companies in the world, so judge the expenditure accordingly.   Jon.
A lot of good schools have watermarked letterheads. I've seen those from Harvard and Swarthmore. Addenum: I might add that I consider watermarked letterheads for social correspondence tacky.
post #19 of 43
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I think the most luxurious item one can have in personalized stationary is a customized watermark, which is an expensive proposition indeed, somewhere in the range of about $1000+ for a customized watermark (just for the actual metal die, sans actual stationary). To put this into perspective, the only time I have seen anyone utilize a custom watermark is the MBNA corporation, which utilizes a custom watermark of their logo in all their stationary. Of, course one must consider that they are one of the largest credit card companies in the world, so judge the expenditure accordingly.   Jon.
Christies, the auction house also has the watermark. As well as certain jewellers. One can also have perfumed papers, and inks. J.Herbin of Paris does perfumed inks that are very lovely. Sealing waxes are also made by this venerable French company. Another beautiful habit I would say; sealing waxes.
post #20 of 43
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To put this into perspective, the only time I have seen anyone utilize a custom watermark is the MBNA corporation, which utilizes a custom watermark of their logo in all their stationary. Of, course one must consider that they are one of the largest credit card companies in the world, so judge the expenditure accordingly.   Jon.
A lot of good schools have watermarked letterheads. I've seen those from Harvard and Swarthmore.
Personalized watermarks are quite impressive. My University acceptance letter had their watermark, and I was appropriately impressed. Then I remembered that I was going to be paying for it, and the awe suddenly faded. I have a particular fondness for stationary and writing, and have had stationary printed on Crane's paper with matching calling cards. The calling cards always make a splash -- people expect a business card, and are quite surprised when they realize it's personal. Another odd habit of mine is that I write my personal correspondence with 100+ year old dip pens -- two sit in the cocobolo and brass desk set I crafted. I don't really have a rational reason for that, but it seems to me that the art of letters has been losing ground, and I hope that using an instrument that forces me to concentrate on the writing imbues it with more meaning. It probably doesn't, but you get a little ink on your hands; you literally and metaphorically get your hands dirty. Plus, I've heard that recipients feel special when they get a letter from me. So that's something. LabelKing, I haven't tried wax yet but I shall. Must post a few things to myself to see how the USPS handles it. Regards, Huntsman
post #21 of 43
Label King, At university I sometimes used to post essay to my tutors. I used sealing wax on the envelopes. The package was far more impressive than the content. Huntsman, I like your style.
post #22 of 43
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Label King, At university I sometimes used to post essay to my tutors.  I used sealing wax on the envelopes.  The package was far more impressive than the content. Huntsman, I like your style.
Ah, you must have went to Oxford?
post #23 of 43
Heh. I went to Durham.  It's collegiate like Oxford.  I went to one of the newer, more liberal colleges.   I used sealing wax because my father gave me a seal with the first letter of my first name on.  That and I'm eccentric, though I hope I'm not pretentious.
post #24 of 43
I studied abroad at Oxford. I can't imagine any Ivy League school being more elitist (or pretentious, depending on your point of view). Every weekend there are black tie balls. Dinners are sit-downs with help in attendance (in my college, it was a group of Asian ladies, the lack of diversity of which I find extremely offensive). The china is engraved with college seals. It is a severe violation for anyone to step on their well-manicured lawns. Nevermind most UK residents pay close to nothing to attend the university, facilities are lacking relative to expensive US colleges (possibly aside from Balliol and Christ Church), and they are cheap enough to charge visitors/tourists anxious to get a glimpse of their grounds -- but standards and propriety must be maintained. If you want to raise a classy snob, forget Harvard Yale Princeton, send him/her to Oxford. But the experience of living and studying in this institution and this medieval town, albeit for a short time, is one that I will cherish forever.
post #25 of 43
I went to a friend's college dinner at Cambridge once; I think most of the waiters and waitresses were local young men and women. The dinner ladies at my college were all ciggy smoking geordies with lazy eyes and screeching voices; "No, ya canna have TWO pieces o toast for yer breakfast. Put it back.". Aye, twas a glamorous life.
post #26 of 43
Based on my experiences at top US colleges and at Oxford, one thing that amazes me is how much more emphasis Oxford (and I assume, other elite UK schools) places on decorum, elegance and standards despite being relatively very poorly funded compared to her US cousins. Whether this is to be lauded or deplored, I don't know. So yes, my alma mater in the US may have just built a $50 million dollar science center, but we will never have the amazing dining hall that Wadham Oxford has, what with the oil potraits of former wardens adorning the wood-panelled walls while nicely suited young gentlemen and ladies sat in benches sipping their wine, their faces lit by the electric lamps -- and on special occasions, candles -- resting on the tables.
post #27 of 43
I'd hazard that a new science centre is rather more useful than an oak-paneled hall. My college was a bog-standard modern building. All the students were quite relaxed and welcoming. Perhaps I was/am biased, but I tended to find people from the more 'refined' colleges could often be more stuck up and, occasionally, boorish. I'm sure I was too, to some extent.
post #28 of 43
Thanks for that post, jharrison. I'm still a bit new here, don't quite understand the "acceptance factor" of lengthy posts, or I would have done it myself. Huntsman, I too have some old dip pens, but don't use them anywhere near as often as you do. Thanks for the inspiration.
post #29 of 43
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Originally Posted by jharrison,02 Nov. 2004, 8:54
Pardon my ignorance, but do you mean that it's quality is decreasing? Or that it's becoming too common.
It's too democratic too widely available. Especially when one is paying a significant amount for personalized stationary, one should expect more exclusivity and quality. I think my personalized notes and envelopes (50 each) probably cost my friend about $150. They are not nice enough that I would willingly shell out money from my pocket for them.
I do think the quality of Crane's to be superb.  They make the American paper banknotes, after all.  And those certainly see some circulation.   However, that Crane is widely available now, I wouldn't know.  Nor do I think it makes the paper any less desirable. I've been using it for ages, and think it the best available in America. I've received Symthson paper in the mail, and it certainly is impressive. Cranes may be pricey, but you can order it in bulk from Cranes now.   Also, Cranes used to have a few catalogs with useful essays on social writing papers, etc.  
post #30 of 43
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There are two ways to look at this. One way is to say that the writer is suffering from class slippage anxiety, the sort of person who "sends thank you noted after the most ordinary parties" (P. Fussell). The other way is to say that the writer refuses to let go one of the most elegant practices of an era bygone.
Don't forget though, that Fussell's book was a piece of irony itself. And Fussell is a terrible snob himself. I don't think it's anxiety of class-slippage as much as social-climbing (if one were to make accusations).
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