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post #31 of 41
With kettlebells is how I first started doing it, the systema gym I was playing around at had them. I hadn't done it with DB's until we started doing the "300" workout after work (which has a 1-arm snatch as part of the circuit), and my gym doesn't have any kettlebells. I think I like the KB version better.
post #32 of 41
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If you avoid them completely, you will never become a trained lifter.

^+1 to the above. Learning snatches with an unloaded bar is in no way dangerous. And even if you have weight on, if you really run into trouble you can always just dump it. It's a lot safer than many of the idiotic things that people insist on doing in gyms every day.

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I wouldn't say avoid snatches. Its definitely something you need to learn with an unloaded bar, but they really aren't hard or dangerous once you get the motion down.

plus they are actually a beneficial lift unlike direct traps training which is fucking stupid.

To be clear, I do not suggest avoiding snatches completely. I advise avoiding if one is not trained. Of course, one can work with an experienced, knowledgeable lifter and become trained. My concern, from several decades of lifting and being around too many folk who do not get form correct is the risk of injury to the shoulders and other joints with certain exercises. For example, I see people roll their shoulders all the time on shrugs, squat with awful form, and do upright rows with very narrow grips.

My sole concern is that several prior posters were suggesting an exercise that requires more knowledge than some others to perform correctly without the necessary cautionary advise. I agree snatches can be useful if learned correctly. But, i do not agree that simply lifting light is sufficient; working with someone knowledge who can check form is much more important. So, if the advise were to learn with a mentor and not just lift with the bar alone, we would agree.
post #33 of 41
Well obviously having someone to teach them is ideal, but not everyone has that luxury. I taught myself how to snatch just fine. It just seems like its a lift that people get irrationally scared away from.
post #34 of 41
Obviously the best situation for learning the Olympic lifts is to have someone to teach you proper form and technique. But if you do your research and pay careful attention, I think it's possible to learn them on your own. My point was that if you are interested in learning how to do them properly, then practicing the movement with an unloaded bar until you get comfortable with it should not be dangerous at all to a normal person. What is important is to have the patience and humility to learn the technique instead of just loading the bar and heaving the weights around ignorantly. Anyone trying to learn these lifts without a coach (or even people with coaches), should check out Dan John's free e-book on Oly lifting, available here.
post #35 of 41
+100000000 to the Dan John book, his articles and podcasts were what I used to learn oly lifts.
post #36 of 41
I do not see working with a more experienced lifter as a luxury. It is hard to believe that the OP cannot find someone with greater lifting experience than himself to supervise form. It does not even need to be done in a gym; it could be done with a broom in one's backyard or living room.

My advise does not suggest that some could not learn on their own. Rather, I suggest that the risk of injury to a shoulder or knee joint is too serious for an inexperienced lifter to learn on his/her own unnecessarily. Moreover, I have seen even more experienced lifters, including myself, benefit from having someone observe their form.
post #37 of 41
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Anyone trying to learn these lifts without a coach (or even people with coaches), should check out Dan John's free e-book on Oly lifting, available here.

Looks like good stuff. Thanks for the link,
post #38 of 41
On Dan's book, the three of us agree.

However, to beat a dead horse, I am not talking about learning the lift, which is relatively easy. I am talking about ensuring that one has the form correct so that one is not risking long-term (or even short-term) injury.
post #39 of 41
Point taken. I have found, though, that the more I lift, the better and safer my form becomes. I'd be the first to admit that it sucked at first, but I think the lack of load reduced my chances of injury. I would love to have an experienced person critique my technique and offer advice, but unfortunately there's nobody around to do it. I use a small university's gym, filled with cardio-addicted girls and guys doing DB curls in front of the mirror. Our athletes don't have a structured strength program as far as I can tell. Humility prevents me from saying that I'm the most knowledgeable person in our gym, but there's an unfortunate possibility that it's true.
post #40 of 41
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Originally Posted by Philosoph View Post
filled with cardio-addicted girls and guys doing DB curls in front of the mirror.


At the least the girls are fun to watch. I hate the preeners. All too often I watch guys come in to do bi's and pec's as part of prepping for a hot evening out. Yeesh.

My sympathies on the isolated environment. At least, it sounds as if you studied and built up to complex compound lifts slowly.
post #41 of 41
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I'll put in another vote for rowing, either arm/back row or actually on an erg or in a boat. My back muscles are the most built muscles I have : (

+1

... and use lots of drag and Power 10's, sallie!
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