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post #31 of 64
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A BMI of over 25 is unhealthy even if you're all muscle, because it's a strain on your body to maintain all of that tissue mass, especially your heart.
sez who? also what about bone structure? large boned people are always going to have a higher BMI than smaller ones. does that make them inherently less healthy?
post #32 of 64
I would disagree with that concept for the following reasons. When I was lifting more regularly and running for football in high school, I had a bf% of around 7% and a body weight of about 220-222, but benched a bit more and squatted significantly more. Therefore, my BMI would have been higher than it is now, at my current weight of 210 and lower BMI, even though I was running 5:30 miles while I would be hard pressed to break 7 minutes now. I was in far better shape at that time than I am now, so despite my higher BMI.
post #33 of 64
i'm 25.5. i highly doubt anyone outside of the very worst areas of ethiopia would consider me overweight. who creates these studies? no doubt someone using $10M of "grants"
post #34 of 64
Well here we go... 6 feet 2 inches. 274 pounds 12% bodyfat BMI of 35.2 My drop is 17 inches. I believe BMI is a perfect calculator of someone who does not exercise at all. A total sedentary lifestyle which given the news stories I have been reading lately comprises a majority of people in the US. In fact, most health insurance companies use BMI as an indicator of whether or not to cover you. That was my experience at least. When speaking with the insurance rep, she told me that she received calls all the time from athletes and generally people who did a lot of weight training begging for coverage yet their BMI considered them obese therefore not eligible for coverage. I use the PPO at my office, or otherwise it would probably be a nightmare for coverage. Thanks to this board I have found out about the benefits of MTM and can now wear items that have a 57 inch chest that tailor into my 38-40 inch waist vs having to belt down a RTW that has to support a 50 inch waist. Regards, CT
post #35 of 64
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6 feet 2 inches. 274 pounds 12% bodyfat BMI of 35.2 My drop is 17 inches.
Holy crap. Well, I could still probably outrun you (used to be able to run under 5:20 miles, and probably threat of imminent death could put me a bit under that). Or... I am a *very* dirty fighter, and I have reasonably quick hands. Who am I kidding? Oh well, there is no pride lost in getting beat by a guy who weights over 100 pounds more.
post #36 of 64
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Oh well, there is no pride lost in getting beat by a guy who weights over 100 pounds more.
Why bother fighting? With a BMI that high he is sure to drop dead within 5 minutes.
post #37 of 64
Gents, There seems to be a good deal of confusion regarding the application of the body mass index. Clinically, there is little difficulty in distinguishing the athlete with a BMI of 30 and the non-athlete with the same BMI. If you are 5'10'' and 215lbs of rock hard muscle, no clinician is going to accuse you of being obese (common sense, right?). Again, the BMI is simply a measurement that has been demonstrated to correlate well with obesity in the general population and, to the degree that it is elevated, is associated with an increased incidence of other diseases. Consensus guidelines have been created by experts for the management of obesity and these guidelines are based upon the BMI and the presence of any comorbidities. If a clinician recognizes a patient as obese, he or she can calculate the patient's BMI and make the appropriate therapeutic intervention based upon the guidelines (that is, based upon the product of extensive analysis of the medical literature). If you calculate your BMI to be greater than 25 and, while standing "alfresco" in front of the mirror, can honestly and confidently declare yourself an Adonis, then rest assured that it is likely the wrong metric for you. You have to give David credit; he comes up with some provocative topics for discussion.
post #38 of 64
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....You have to give David credit; he comes up with some provocative topics for discussion.
...so do trolls. anyway i think the objection was not to the utility of the BMI to a clinician with a patient standing right in front of him, but rather to the applicability of the BMI to the question 'how fat are you' (especially over the internet where the subjects are unseen). i and others feel that a more appropriate metric for that question is the body fat percentage measurement, possibly combined with a drop measurement. (granted, an accurate body fat measurement is more work to obtain than the BMI.) /andrew
post #39 of 64
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If you calculate your BMI to be greater than 25 and, while standing "alfresco" in front of the mirror, can honestly and confidently declare yourself an Adonis, then rest assured that it is likely the wrong metric for you.
Well, I have a BMI at the somewhat higher end of normal, and standing in front of the mirror, I can see that although my build is pretty average, I am, in fact, an *Adonis*. erm, sorry all.
post #40 of 64
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(granted, an accurate body fat measurement is more work to obtain than the BMI.) /andrew
Well, this is it you see.....If you can find a marker for obesity that has good sensitivity and is covenient for the hectic pace of most clinics, that is what you end up using.  But I agree with you, Andrew, it is not perfect.  Still, with the exception of our brawny compatriots (giving the aforementioned caveats) it may be a reasonable tool for people to use at home to target their attempts at weight loss (not too many people are going to measure their body fat percentage at home). Let me add another potentially volatile measurement: ideal body weight.  In men, this is taken to be 50 kg for the first five feet of height, with an additional 2.3 kg for every inch above five feet.  People with more robust physiques can add up to an additional 5-10% (so 170lbs would become 178-187lbs). (remember that 2.2lbs is equal to 1 kg.)
post #41 of 64
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Wow, I guess the stats are wrong, I am the only pudgy person in America and everyone is built like Stallone. I did not realize my fit problems were so unusual.
post #42 of 64
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Wow, I guess the stats are wrong, I am the only pudgy person in America and everyone is built like Stallone. I did not realize my fit problems were so unusual.
Members of the forum are a pretty self selected group. I would bet that the majority of members exercise regularly and that a disproportionate number have very rigorous exercise and fitness routines as a regular part of their lives. Personally, I know that I can't go more than a day without working out without feeling pretty antsy.
post #43 of 64
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Wow, I guess the stats are wrong, I am the only pudgy person in America and everyone is built like Stallone. I did not realize my fit problems were so unusual.
I hardly think 12% bodyfat is "Adonis"-like, although on the upper end of athletic.   If I had to take a crack as to why, I believe the nature of what this board is about is the reason.  This board is about people who are trying to improve their image through outfitting with very high quality clothing.  I would think that particular interest also transcends into other things in a members' life.  For instance regular diet and exercise ultimately improves health but one of the additional benefits is improving how one looks. In the movie Pumping Iron (George Butler, 1975), Arnold Schwarzenegger was being interviewed as to what bodybuilding was all about.  He compared it to sculpting.  With a sculptor, when he wants to change something on the sculpture he adds a bit of clay here or there.  In bodybuilding the person trains to get that extra bit of shoulder size where the clay would go.  It's just a harder process. Good clothes inspires self confidence the same as exercise has shown to. Separately aside regarding BMI.  Outside of a lazy way to determine obesity levels on society (separate from athletes), as previously mentioned, it is supposed to be a determiner regarding diseases such as cancer, heart disease, etc.  I can't categorically believe that to be true either for the athletic category of test subjects. Finally, I am definitely a slow runner.  How did the argument get to a point where I had to consider chasing anyone to begin with?  That's what needs to be avoided.   Regards, CT
post #44 of 64
Eh well, just to chime in since I only have another twenty minutes at work today.... 6 ft 165 lbs 8% bf 22.5 BMI 9" drop weights 3x week run 4x week (half hour or more) bike 4x week (hour or more)
post #45 of 64
now lets discuss this for a sec, i am 5'7", i weigh 187...i wear a 32' pair of levi's, and yet my bmi according to the web site calculator given says i am 29.3 and overweight...now my question is, how many people in this place have a 32-33 inch waist and are 5-7 or even 5-8..and if you do, what is your weight...just curious, i did not realize i was on the verge of obesity.
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