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This is going to sound extremely materialistic and shallow but being in Europe makes me happy because I can buy absolutely anything I want without having to deal with insane import taxes and custom fees that I have back in home.

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Not trying to sound snarky but some folks, like me, have various professional licenses where breaking laws can have a real impact on one's career. Also, those of us with ethics/moral clauses in our employment contract, could face some severe negative impact outside of licensing. All the laws surrounding medical marijuana at least get you covered around the contract issues...licensing I'm not so sure.

Every month the CA State Bar publishes the list of attorneys who have been recently disbarred. Almost every month there's some poor sap who got arrested for a particularly bad DUI or other crime. Usually those lead to summary disbarment, IIRC. I don't recall ever seeing someone busted for smokin' the ganja, but it wouldn't surprise me.
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Every month the CA State Bar publishes the list of attorneys who have been recently disbarred. Almost every month there's some poor sap who got arrested for a particularly bad DUI or other crime. Usually those lead to summary disbarment, IIRC. I don't recall ever seeing someone busted for smokin' the ganja, but it wouldn't surprise me.

When it comes to your livelihood always better safe than sorry, IMO.
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When it comes to your livelihood always better safe than sorry, IMO.

Although, you know, if you were high, you probably wouldn't be so worried about it.
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Every month the CA State Bar publishes the list of attorneys who have been recently disbarred. Almost every month there's some poor sap who got arrested for a particularly bad DUI or other crime. Usually those lead to summary disbarment, IIRC. I don't recall ever seeing someone busted for smokin' the ganja, but it wouldn't surprise me.

When it comes to your livelihood always better safe than sorry, IMO.


Oh I totally agree about this . For years we refused to allow mandatory drug testing as a condition of employment but times have changed and it is now part of the environment. I was lucky enough to have retired before it became universal but I certainly wouldn't have let it cost me my job. I had a couple of close calls but my direct employers valued my work enough to let me avoid them

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Although, you know, if you were high, you probably wouldn't be so worried about it.


Or maybe he'd be more paranoid about it.

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Originally Posted by VaderDave View Post

Every month the CA State Bar publishes the list of attorneys who have been recently disbarred. Almost every month there's some poor sap who got arrested for a particularly bad DUI or other crime. Usually those lead to summary disbarment, IIRC. I don't recall ever seeing someone busted for smokin' the ganja, but it wouldn't surprise me.

Summary disbarment kicks in only when you've been convicted of a felony that is considered to be a crime of "moral turpitude".

BC, I don't know if this is the same list you've seen, but the back of the monthly fishwrapper the CA Bar sends out contains a list not only of disbarments, but of lesser disciplinary actions as well. They generally include a very abbreviated summary of the underlying misconduct giving rise to the discipline. It's funny/sad to see how hapless/dishonest/stupid you can be and still get off with laughably light discipline.
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Summary disbarment kicks in only when you've been convicted of a felony that is considered to be a crime of "moral turpitude".

BC, I don't know if this is the same list you've seen, but the back of the monthly fishwrapper the CA Bar sends out contains a list not only of disbarments, but of lesser disciplinary actions as well. They generally include a very abbreviated summary of the underlying misconduct giving rise to the discipline. It's funny/sad to see how hapless/dishonest/stupid you can be and still get off with laughably light discipline.

Yup, same thing. I'm not sure it has to be a conviction for a felony, though, as lately I've seen a few where people were summarily disbarred for lying about finishing their mandatory CLE and getting caught. I'm not entirely sure there was anything more than the internal Bar investigation. I definitely remember seeing the words "moral turpitude" frequently, however.

Anyway: I definitely don't ever want to find myself on the Bar's disciplinary radar.
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Summary disbarment kicks in only when you've been convicted of a felony that is considered to be a crime of "moral turpitude".

I have a moral turpitude clause in my employment contract, of course. When I asked my attorney to define this his answer was, "If it's not dead hookers or live boys you've really nothing to worry about."
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Yup, same thing. I'm not sure it has to be a conviction for a felony, though, as lately I've seen a few where people were summarily disbarred for lying about finishing their mandatory CLE and getting caught. I'm not entirely sure there was anything more than the internal Bar investigation. I definitely remember seeing the words "moral turpitude" frequently, however.

Anyway: I definitely don't ever want to find myself on the Bar's disciplinary radar.

That makes sense, given that keeping up with your CLE is a requirement of membership. I've only dealt with disbarment in the context of clients who were lawyers who'd been convicted of crimes. If you've been convicted of a felony that is categorized as "moral turpitude" (fraud, for example) your ticket gets pulled without the bar having to go through its internal fact-finding/adjudicative process. The "fact" of the conviction is enough. If you've been convicted of a non-MT crime, you get to have a contested proceeding (still within the Bar's own little system) where you can argue about the level of discipline, if any, that should be imposed. At least in that context, "summary" disbarment basically just means it follows automatically upon the Bar learning of your conviction, without the need for any further process or investigation.
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That makes sense, given that keeping up with your CLE is a requirement of membership. I've only dealt with disbarment in the context of clients who were lawyers who'd been convicted of crimes. If you've been convicted of a felony that is categorized as "moral turpitude" (fraud, for example) your ticket gets pulled without the bar having to go through its internal fact-finding/adjudicative process. The "fact" of the conviction is enough. If you've been convicted of a non-MT crime, you get to have a contested proceeding (still within the Bar's own little system) where you can argue about the level of discipline, if any, that should be imposed. At least in that context, "summary" disbarment basically just means it follows automatically upon the Bar learning of your conviction, without the need for any further process or investigation.

Oh, sure. I didn't mean to suggest that it was inappropriate.

Anyway: it sounds like you know a lot more than I do about these things (I don't do any sort of criminal or defense work). But now I know that if I ever find myself in the crosshairs of the Bar, I know someone I can call. icon_gu_b_slayer[1].gif
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Although, you know, if you were high, you probably wouldn't be so worried about it.

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I have a moral turpitude clause in my employment contract, of course. When I asked my attorney to define this his answer was, "If it's not dead hookers or live boys you've really nothing to worry about."
Looks like figging is wide open (swidt)
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