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post #40696 of 43959
i think arguing with why is going down the same path as idfnl.

claims to know beer better than "craft beer nerds". drinks miller high life and guinness...

you're right that there are shitty beers out there flavored with fruit syrup (or more usually fermented with extract), but the vast majority of craft beers out there keep it simple. malt, water, yeast, hops.

you're also right that americans tend to make beer heavier and boozier but there are also tons of US breweries out there keeping it at UK levels (one of my favorite brewpubs nearby has their IPAs at less than 5% abv) just like there are tons of belgians doing bourbon barrel aged quads

also fruity syrups in beers practically started in germany so...

i dont understand how you can make these broad generalizations about beer and coffee in the US yet it appears you've never really experienced much of it outside of places like applebee's and starbucks
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That and boiling tended to be part of the brewing process. Hops in ale = no no though for the English until brewing became more commercial and artisan. Put hops in ale and the English now called it "beer." Hops are now allowed in ale and have been for centuries, but original ale meant only water, malt and yeast. Also, part of what makes me chuckle at why's statement is all kinds of stuff got added to beer in the middle ages prior to some standardization that allowed the correct portion of hops to be added on a commercial scale.

from what i understand ales usually also had bittering agents like gruit not just water, malt, and yeast. which is why they made a distinction in the 16th century to call hopped beers "beer" when the dutch brought it along. some english people really opposed hopped beers tho claiming that it should only be malt, water, yeast, but gruit has a much longer tradition than records of people that claimed that
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claims to know beer better than "craft beer nerds". drinks miller high life and guinness...

As opposed to the people that know beer from blogs and repeat the same trite 'truths' verbatim?

I provide reasons for liking some stuff. I hope I provided some information along with it. Take it or leave it.
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I tried a beer once it was called "Wheach." It was a peach wheat beer and it was awful. If that's indicative of what the beer nerds are putting out there on the market these days, I will stick to my byrrh thank you very much. (Byrrh comes in a container called "bottle.")

You tried the wrong type. is amazeballs.
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I hate Southern Comfort and would never drink it but I also wouldn't post on a message board a NY Times length article about how bad it is and why everyone who drinks it are inferior to me.

 

I like Southern Comfort, and drink it frequently, but similarly do not care if others dislike it.  Unless, of course, so many people start to dislike it, that they stop making it.  Then I would have to post in the pissing you off thread.

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Originally Posted by L'Incandescent View Post

I tried a beer once it was called "Wheach." It was a peach wheat beer and it was awful. If that's indicative of what the beer nerds are putting out there on the market these days, I will stick to my byrrh thank you very much. (Byrrh comes in a container called "bottle.")

 

To paraphrase what all of us beer nerds will tell you, the whole point is variety, and matching your beer to your food, the season, your mood, etc, and to find the ones that suit your own tastes.  So, basically, no craft beer is indicative of what we are talking about.  It's entirely possible that you dislike either, or both of, wheat beers, and beers containing fruit.  What's your byrrh of choice?

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To paraphrase what all of us beer nerds will tell you, the whole point is variety, and matching your beer to your food, the season, your mood, etc, and to find the ones that suit your own tastes.  So, basically, no craft beer is indicative of what we are talking about.  It's entirely possible that you dislike either, or both of, wheat beers, and beers containing fruit.  What's your byrrh of choice?

I was really just kidding. I did actually try Wheach and I did actually dislike it. But I don't enjoy beer all that much in general, and so I don't have a horse in the race ("dog in the fight"). Speaking as an outsider to the scene, it is funny to see people getting in heated discussions about which ingredients accord with propriety of beer and which do not. But I guess all scenes devoted to some specialized activity are like that to some degree.

My byrrh is Byrrh Grand Quinquina.

post #40702 of 43959
huh looks like i was wrong about gruit

http://zythophile.wordpress.com/2014/02/28/was-it-ever-gruit-britain-the-herb-ale-tradition/

also would not hit


although it looks like there are quite a bit of medieval english recipes for herb ales before hopped beers came through the dutch. i just can't tell how prevalent it was
Edited by indesertum - 3/7/14 at 3:55pm
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As opposed to the people that know beer from blogs and repeat the same trite 'truths' verbatim?

Believe it or not, there are people who actually try to drink as many different beers as possible and form their own opinions.
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I was really just kidding. I did actually try Wheach and I did actually dislike it. But I don't enjoy beer all that much in general, and so I don't have a horse in the race ("dog in the fight"). Speaking as an outsider to the scene, it is funny to see people getting in heated discussions about which ingredients accord with propriety of beer and which do not. But I guess all scenes devoted to some specialized activity are like that to some degree.
 

 

I find that stuff interesting, in terms of history, and evolution of beer. Naming conventions are useful, in that they help you know what you're getting, but as long as you be sure to tell people that there is something unusual in your beer, I don't care.  I'd be annoyed if a beer was labelled a Pilsner but turned out to have cocoa powder in it, with no warning.  (Also it sounds like a terrible idea to me) But generally, if they put things in beer, and I think they don't taste good, the extent of my protest is normally not drinking that beer, and probably telling my beer nerd friends that I don't like it, and why.  I commissioned a cask of peach wheat ale for my wedding, and it was pretty fantastic.  Also pretty cool that it was a one night only performance, and made specially for my wife, our guests, and me.

post #40705 of 43959
That is very cool about the peach wheat ale!

The only such brew I have ever tried was the aforementioned Wheach. The name should have prevented me from trying it all by itself. But the peach logo with a face on it drew me in.
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That is very cool about the peach wheat ale!

The only such brew I have ever tried was the aforementioned Wheach. The name should have prevented me from trying it all by itself. But the peach logo with a face on it drew me in.

 

Shock top does that to me sometimes, even though I know it's pretty mediocre.  It is just plain tasty/refreshing on a hot summer day, if not special.

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As opposed to the people that know beer from blogs and repeat the same trite 'truths' verbatim?

I provide reasons for liking some stuff. I hope I provided some information along with it. Take it or leave it.

besides the fact that beer is cheap enough for people to go form their own opinions, your information is far superior because why? opinions on blogs aren't as good as your own opinionst?

the thing that gets me is you have this smug superior attitude towards american (beer drinkers) claiming they don't know have taste ("i.e. ability to appreciate and consider things for what they are, not what they represent") but then it turns out your ability to appreciate and consider things doesn't go very far. and then you make generalizations about american beers but then it turns out you've never even really stepped in a beer store in the us. and then you support your assertions by saying it's just your opinion
post #40708 of 43959
I was making beer before some of you were born. This statement brought to you by the Beer Store (Ontario monopoly govt. run store) strike in the 80s and Reinheitsgebot.
post #40709 of 43959
Betimes when I am at home all by myself, I neglect to button all the buttons of my jeans hey why even bother? (I do button the top button, though, it would be ridiculous not to.)
post #40710 of 43959
making me happy- enjoyed a few bottles of very cold local factory-produced beer last night, in this bar on the rooftop just down the street and the weather was breezy and we had a nice view of the city and the wife and I weren't talking about how this beer stinks compared to the one time I bought this growler of beer made by monks that only produce 3 bottles a day and I had to fly off to this dark corner of a deep forest in europe just to pick up my one bottle.
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