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Originally Posted by
patrickBOOTH 
I have and I did. I told my grandparents from there as well.
You got me.
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Originally Posted by
Huntsman
Oxidative degradation is not the only chemical reaction.
Never said it was. But the chemicals in the beans don't change significantly from the grinding process, and stored away from heat and light there's really nothing to cause much of a reaction. Any reactions that do take place would be incredibly slow, hence the extremely long shelf-life. The expiration dates are usually the same for both bean and ground forms for this reason. There's just not much of a difference. If anything, I figure mechanical agitation of the grounds would cause the coffee to deteriorate more than any chemical reaction. But I'm not a chemist and this is just my intuition, bolstered by the fact that expiration dates on ground and bean form of coffee are similar from what I recall.
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Originally Posted by
Laurens
There is a reason there is an expiration date. Nothing lastst forever, not even McDonalds fries.
Besides that I still can't see a reason to get pre-ground. The coffee roasting process causes the coffee beans to release a gas by-product, specifically carbon dioxide. This gas release process continues for several days after roasting. The peak taste time for coffee is about 1 to 3 days after the roast (fresh roasted coffee beans need 12-24hrs to degass enough for it to be drinkable. Maximum aroma is attained after degassing (1-2 days after the roast) In order to be vacuum sealed, the coffee has to first release all its CO² or it will burst the bag, which means that it must sit around for several days before it can be packaged and shipped. This sitting around begins to rob the coffee of its freshness.
The best method for packaging and shipping is in valve-sealed bags. The valve allows the carbon dioxide gasses and moisture to escape but doesn’t allow oxygen or moisture in. Therefore, the fresh roasted coffee beans can be packaged and shipped immediately after roasting, ensuring the coffee’s freshness and taste.
Valve is apparently impossible with pre-ground.
Nonsense. See above. Also, the bag will not burst since it needs to reach its dimensions at standard air pressure before it even endures any strain. Not all factory-ground coffee is stored in bags, anyway.
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Originally Posted by indesertum
its not a nightmare because you simply calibrate before you start your day and adjust only when you really need too.
I've never seen anyone adjust the grinder. If they do it, it's probably at the start of their shift.
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Originally Posted by indesertum
i think cary grant would disagree you on cheese
He can and probably would, I'm sure. Still, I laugh at that thread when I see it because it's a big hoo-hah over nothing and not any different from the goofballs on Chowhound or whatever foodie sites there are discussing their silly pretentious hobby of seeing who has tasted the rarest foodstuffs, the vast majority of which are inferior to what's more or less considered a no-frills, no-fuss, standard version made elsewhere.
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Originally Posted by indesertum
you're not looking in the right places. swiss don't make good chocolate period. they make shitty industrialized mass produced chocolate. belgians used to be the same but they stepped their game up. the italians are the world best right now with the us coming in very very close. if you dont believe me try some chocolate by patric. will blow your mind. it's different in style than amadei etc, but mindblowingly delicious.
I disagree. Italian chocolate isn't the 'world-best' by any means. It's good, but it's just an inferior version of stuff from Switzerland, France, and Belgium. Specifically, I think Italians make the chocolate too sweet because otherwise it comes out too bitter. But I don't know enough about the process, I just know that I consider the chocolate boutiques and factories here to produce generally-overpriced chocolate that's too 'candied' for me.
Thanks for everyone participating in this little digression, though. It's given me a reason to check some things out and see if it'll change some old preferences.
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