Originally Posted by Ludeykrus
how much did you initially size down? And what's your normal size?
Size down 0 I am pretty much a "true" 34 (SC 1947/5epXsf/ES Hutch). When I tried on the 33's they did not do up, the 34's did up but where tight, the 36's swam on me. Since not many people had experience with this brand, figured it was best to go on the safe side with a pair that fit. For frame of reference on stretching 5EPXSF 34, after washed a few times and wearing stetches to 37 SC1947 washed many times, stretches to 36 I figure these stretch so much as I wear them on my hips due to the low rise. As for quality time will tell. I bought these as a stop gap pair until my custom sydney's were done, so they are now getting treated and worn like a "normal" pair of jeans. The ass has nearly turned completely white due to riding, there is some lap creasing and fading, but not much as I wash these whenever I feel like it. So far no construction issues, maybe they should have marketed like ES's wabisabi and people would not have been turned off by sloppy stitching.