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Originally Posted by Sean Lew View Post

 

 

I do have some size 30 Levis 521's and they fit me fine (from what I understand Levi's are vanity sized by 1?) Either way they stretched out to a 33+" waist after like 4 months of wear and its getting hard to keep them up even with a belt. :P I guess my point is that I would rather get them a half an inch small in the waist and let them stretch out a little bit rather than get half an inch too big and have them way to big in a couple months or do you think this is flawed?

 

Edit: This is definitely turning into a hard decision. I'll probably just go to Barneys and hopefully be able to try some on to compare.

This is probably your best bet.  My advice is: try on a few pairs.  If the waist needs to stretch out a little bit, that's fine.  Waistbands are extremely rugged and take stretching well.  I will say, though, having an exposed fly caused by too much stretching just looks sloppy IMO.  Not a good look on anybody.  If you can't get them to fit how you want in the legs without sizing down so much that you can't button them up, you're probably better off looking for a slimmer cut.

 

However, if you find a pair that limits your range of motion because of tightness in the thighs, crotch, and seat: do not expect them to stretch.  Put them back on the rack and get a size larger.  Otherwise you tempt fate in the form of a massive blowout.  
 

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Originally Posted by commodorewheeler View Post


Sizing down is not "bullshit". It doesn't work on all body types, especially with a cut as odd as the WG, but it works on a lot of people. The reason it doesn't work on you is because of your large thighs, but for anyone who doesn't have large thighs, it works.
It is a fact that WGs have a larger-than-tagged waist measurement, by about 2-3". Therefore, if you don't size down from your actual waist measurement, they will be 2-3" loose in the waist. For some people such as yourself, the thighs will prevent you from sizing down, and there is nothing wrong with that. But if you want the waist to fit, then you need to size down.

 

Here's a little misconception that I see a lot: Your "True waist" or "Actual waist" is *not* measured on your jeans.  It is measured on YOU.  The traditional way to do this is to measure at the belly button using one of these:

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As I said earlier, tagged sizes run smaller because if your jeans measured exactly the same size as you, they would be skin tight.  Literally.  Add to the equation that a person's hips tend to have a larger circumference than their waist, and it's easy to see where that extra 2" goes.  Note that last sentence doesn't necessarily apply to *all* body types.

 

For instance: my true waist is dead-on at 33.5".  Where I wear my jeans, though, is actually closer to 35-36".  Thus, I buy weird guys in a 33, and they fit perfectly.  A person with smaller thighs than me could size down one more if they wanted a slimmer fit, but my argument is that this suggestion should not be "The Rule".  Instead, it should just be "an option".

 

I can see where you're coming from though, but I think you misunderstood what I mean by "Sizing down".  If you mean "size down from the measurement on your jeans", then I wholeheartedly agree.  That is a good piece of advice...as if I was to buy a pair of 36's they'd hang down past my knees.  It's when a person can't button up their jeans and the community pops in telling them to "stick with it because they'll be perfect" that I start to raise an eyebrow.

 

Now, I see the idea that "a person has to size down so much that it's difficult to button up their jeans or else they'll look awful later on down the road" pops up every now and then.  I say *that* is bullshit.  I went through that...I've gotten into my fair share of skin-tight jeans, expecting them to stretch out but experiencing nothing but a lot of discomfort and an eventual loss of money when I was forced to re-sell them.  

 

To come around full circle here: my point is "it's all about the fit you want".  If you want a slimmer fit, and have the wiggle room, go ahead and size down a little.  However, you may want to consider looking for a slimmer cut.  There's no sense in putting on a pair of weird guys and expecting them to be skinny.  It's like expecting a pair of Levis 501's to have a modern fit.  Or expecting a turtle to fly.  

 

Sure, you can size the 501 down until it's a little more like a slim-taper, but it'll still have that anti-fit in the seat.  Sure, you can throw a turtle, but it's just going to come crashing back to the earth, extremely annoyed.  I should probably stop right here before this metaphor falls apart any more though.

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^^^ the 32oz uses a zipper

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Originally Posted by autumndreams View Post

This is probably your best bet.  My advice is: try on a few pairs.  If the waist needs to stretch out a little bit, that's fine.  Waistbands are extremely rugged and take stretching well.  I will say, though, having an exposed fly caused by too much stretching just looks sloppy IMO.  Not a good look on anybody.  If you can't get them to fit how you want in the legs without sizing down so much that you can't button them up, you're probably better off looking for a slimmer cut.

However, if you find a pair that limits your range of motion because of tightness in the thighs, crotch, and seat: do not expect them to stretch.  Put them back on the rack and get a size larger.  Otherwise you tempt fate in the form of a massive blowout.  

 

Here's a little misconception that I see a lot: Your "True waist" or "Actual waist" is *not* measured on your jeans.  It is measured on YOU.  The traditional way to do this is to measure at the belly button using one of these:
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As I said earlier, tagged sizes run smaller because if your jeans measured exactly the same size as you, they would be skin tight.  Literally.  Add to the equation that a person's hips tend to have a larger circumference than their waist, and it's easy to see where that extra 2" goes.  Note that last sentence doesn't necessarily apply to *all* body types.

For instance: my true waist is dead-on at 33.5".  Where I wear my jeans, though, is actually closer to 35-36".  Thus, I buy weird guys in a 33, and they fit perfectly.  A person with smaller thighs than me could size down one more if they wanted a slimmer fit, but my argument is that this suggestion should not be "The Rule".  Instead, it should just be "an option".

I can see where you're coming from though, but I think you misunderstood what I mean by "Sizing down".  If you mean "size down from the measurement on your jeans", then I wholeheartedly agree.  That is a good piece of advice...as if I was to buy a pair of 36's they'd hang down past my knees.  It's when a person can't button up their jeans and the community pops in telling them to "stick with it because they'll be perfect" that I start to raise an eyebrow.

Now, I see the idea that "a person has to size down so much that it's difficult to button up their jeans or else they'll look awful later on down the road" pops up every now and then.  I say *that* is bullshit.  I went through that...I've gotten into my fair share of skin-tight jeans, expecting them to stretch out but experiencing nothing but a lot of discomfort and an eventual loss of money when I was forced to re-sell them.  

To come around full circle here: my point is "it's all about the fit you want".  If you want a slimmer fit, and have the wiggle room, go ahead and size down a little.  However, you may want to consider looking for a slimmer cut.  There's no sense in putting on a pair of weird guys and expecting them to be skinny.  It's like expecting a pair of Levis 501's to have a modern fit.  Or expecting a turtle to fly.  

Sure, you can size the 501 down until it's a little more like a slim-taper, but it'll still have that anti-fit in the seat.  Sure, you can throw a turtle, but it's just going to come crashing back to the earth, extremely annoyed.  I should probably stop right here before this metaphor falls apart any more though.

Different people have different definitions of "true waist". Most retailers and enthusiasts refer to it as your waist measurement where your jeans are typically worn. By this standard, you can measure a pair of jeans that fits you well to get that measurement. Obviously, this has limitations, because different rises can cause different "true waist" measurements, but IME, with men, there generally isn't too much variation as long as the front rise falls in the typical 10-12" range that most jeans do.

Using your waist measured at the belly button as a "true waist" measurement is potentially problematic as well, because with some body types, the hips are wider than the waist there, and with others, the hips are narrower. If you are following sizing advice, it is more reliable to know that the waist of a jean is going to fit where it is supposed to rest. I would guess that is why most retailers (and enthusiasts) refer to the "true waist" measurement as where the jeans rest, rather than at the belly button, even though the semantics of it are technically incorrect.
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Would the Broken Twills be a good first pair of raws? Any particular quirks that that model has?

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Originally Posted by J BAILEY View Post

Would the Broken Twills be a good first pair of raws? Any particular quirks that that model has?

Broken twills are a good first pair. they fade a bit darker than most but a lot of guys like that anyway
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what do you mean fade darker? less contrast?

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So, a total newb here, but I'm looking to get a pair of N&F's.  I really like the look of the Weird Guy Frankenstein 2s but don't really know what to do about sizing.  I have a pair of 7's that fit me really well in size 34.  Would a N&F size 34 be similar?

 

 

Thanks in advance,

Chris

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not to be rude but why not just measure and check out the measurements on blue owl?

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Picking up my first pair of N&F over the internet, im planning to get the Skinny guy camo welts from Tate+Yoko, but have a few question about sizing for N&F vets since i cant try them on..

 

I emailed the salesperson over at Tate+Yoko and told me that the skinny guy camo welts are one of the few skinny guys that fit true to size in the waist. Can anyone vouch for this? I wear a 36 with Levis 510s so should a 36 in skinny guys carry over well?

 

And also how does .5 an inch in thighs and .75 an inch in leg opening affect the overall fit of the jeans? And how will altering the leg opening to around 7.5 inches affect the jeans as well as having them hemmed to around 32? Will hemming them ruin the look and fit of the jeans?

 

PS. To anyone who owns the camo welts can you tell me how much it stretches or will stretch? Its to my understanding that they are 100% cotton which might not be a good thing...

 

I appreciate to who can ever answer these questions

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I don't know about the Camo, but the elephants pretty much run True To Size also. I tried to size down one to a 28 and it wasn't going to happen haha. Then I went to a size 30 since there was only one left in stock when i ordered and while they are a tad looser than I wanted I'm totally fine w/ it. So I know a 29 would have been perfect and that's my true wast. WhereI wear my pants it's probably around 30.5. I know from my WG deep indigo's that they should stretch at least 1/2 of an inch.

 

So I would say it's safe to go TTS on all Skinny Guy cuts unless noted other wise on lets say Blue Owls site. SkG cut is just a skinny straight leg fit if that's what you were asking about the thigh and leg opening measurements. Altering the jeans will not affect the look in a bad way..at least to you since you are the one getting them altered to how you want. Specially with hemming...all that is doing is making the jean's leg length fit to your inseam. You just wont have lots of stacks with out a long inseam. Not to be rude but there should have been some common sense when you were thinking of that question. The only way making jeans shorter can ruin the look is if you get them waaay too short, like above your ankles.

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thanks for the quick reply. I swear skinny guys are vanity sized? Cause i remember having a hard time choosing between a tagged 34 size (35 waist) or a tagged 36 size (37 waist) for the SkG natural indigo revivals, these measurements were from BlueOwl too. But in this case i guess the camos fitting TTS is a good thing since i dont have to size up or down a size.

 

And regarding altering the leg opening, i heard a lot of negative things about having them altered since it ruins the selvedge?

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Originally Posted by iAmSofaKing View Post

thanks for the quick reply. I swear skinny guys are vanity sized? Cause i remember having a hard time choosing between a tagged 34 size (35 waist) or a tagged 36 size (37 waist) for the SkG natural indigo revivals, these measurements were from BlueOwl too. But in this case i guess the camos fitting TTS is a good thing since i dont have to size up or down a size.

 

And regarding altering the leg opening, i heard a lot of negative things about having them altered since it ruins the selvedge?


Selvedge wont be ruined, per say, that is the whole point of self-edge or "selvedge" denim anyways. Cut to fit unless you're extremely tall and can wear them out of the box. As for the N&F 32oz, I though they had a run that had a button fly then released them in the WG with a zip fly? Must have just gotten mixed up. But I swear Brandon was using them last fall for promotional interviews...

 


Edited by Rightyow77 - 2/12/12 at 1:24am
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Originally Posted by touchdowntodd View Post

not to be rude but why not just measure and check out the measurements on blue owl?


I agree with this statement. This thread it flooded with sizing questions and they all have been discussed a lot. Get yourself measured and compare with measurements online. Lot's of stores post measurements. 

 

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(Hopefully my last question here for a while.) Do the broken twill Slim Guys run a size larger than the rest of the Slim Guys? Finding conflicting information.

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Originally Posted by J BAILEY View Post

(Hopefully my last question here for a while.) Do the broken twill Slim Guys run a size larger than the rest of the Slim Guys? Finding conflicting information.

I would email Tate+Yoko and get exact measurements
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