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Yeah I would say the 30's would fit me better right off the bat probably. But I was thinking that I should get a waist size smaller to account for stretch? Or do people usually buy it true to their waist size? (sorry this is going to be my first pair of jeans from N+F, and raw denim in general for that matter)

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My true waist is dead on 32" and I usually go with 29 for WG cuts (30 for thicker fabrics like wool blend and blanket lined). I do have skinny thighs though - if they were much larger 29s would be too tight.
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Got my Painter Denim in Slim Guy today. Of course too small. Got the size 33 and they fit probably about the same as my size 34 weird guy.
Very cool, VERY thin and light. (light shines through them).

Felt comfortable but skin tight. A size 34 may work for me but not sure I want to be wearing something tight like that in the summer.

These are going back to Revolve..
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Originally Posted by Noctone View Post

My true waist is dead on 32" and I usually go with 29 for WG cuts (30 for thicker fabrics like wool blend and blanket lined). I do have skinny thighs though - if they were much larger 29s would be too tight.


I think my waist is like a little less than 32" but I just say 32 to make it easier usually. I do have slightly thicker thighs probably a little less than 22" all the way around from running and biking and what not. But yeah I just asked Jay from Blue Owl about the 30's that he has and they were 32.45 " waist. Probably too big for me especially after stretching im guessing? Im thinking i should just wait for the 29s as well.

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Originally Posted by commodorewheeler View Post


If your actual waist measurement (not just your size in other brands of jeans) is 31-32", you are more likely a size 30 than a size 29 in the WG cut unless you have super-skinny thighs or you want a very tight fit in the thighs on this model.
If 31 or 32 is your size in other brands of jeans, your WG size may be even bigger than 30, depending on what brands you've been wearing and how much they are vanity sized.


Im a 32" waist but the 30" WG was too loose in the waist when I tried it on. Now the 29" is a little too tight. I guess I got a looser-than-normal 30 and/or tighter-than-normal 29.

 

My 29 ducks fit perfectly though

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Originally Posted by Sean Lew View Post

Yeah I would say the 30's would fit me better right off the bat probably. But I was thinking that I should get a waist size smaller to account for stretch? Or do people usually buy it true to their waist size? (sorry this is going to be my first pair of jeans from N+F, and raw denim in general for that matter)


 

I know there's a lot of hype surrounding how much to size down when it comes to a pair of jeans.  The truth of the matter is, it's all about the fit you want.  Not sizing down *does not* equal having a pair of clown pants down the road.

 

Sizing down *does* have disadvantages.  The more you size down, the more you force your jeans to stretch to conform to your body.  The more denim stretches, the thinner and weaker it becomes.  The weaker the denim becomes, the less wears you'll get out of that pair of jeans.  Size down too much, and one day you might find a group of complete strangers staring at your exposed legs and underwear.

 

IMO, a person is better off buying a fit that they like, but sizing true or just a little below true, rather than forcing a cut to be something that it is not by sizing down.  However, it is possible to make many fits slimmer by sizing down, if that's what you want.  

 

Here's what I, personally, do.  YMMV:

 

My natural waist, measured at the belly button, is about 33.5".  I'm a big guy at 6'2" and 185 lbs, with an athletic build (read: relatively large thighs).  I typically size my Weird Guys and Slim Guys at a size 33, and my Skinny Guys at a size 34.  These days I buy my jeans to fit, WITHOUT taking stretching into account.  If I size to fit, the waist will stretch out a little from everyday movement, but any stretching is minor and can be easily fixed by wearing a belt.  I experience no bagginess or "diaper ass", my jeans still fit as slim as they did the day I bought them, even after hard wear.

 

My jeans, however, do not measure 33", they tend to measure about 35" (17.5" across, laid flat).  Jeans, especially low-to-mid-rise jeans will almost always measure larger than their tagged size.  The reason for this is twofold: First, low-to-mid rise jeans rest on your hips, not your waist, and a person's hips tend to be wider than their waist.  Second, if they measured *exactly* the same as you do, they would be literally skin tight.

 

I've owned about 20+ different pairs of Naked & Famous jeans, and in my experience *most* Naked & Famous models with "normal" denim seem to have minimal variation between them. There are exceptions to this rule though: anything with a double-weave fabric (linen blend, blanket-lined) tends to run a size smaller, and there are certain oddball models.


Edited by autumndreams - 2/10/12 at 12:54pm
post #7357 of 13379
^this is a good post.

Another thing to add to the above is to take the time to measure either yourself or a pair of jeans/pants that you like the fit of, then compare to the measurements of a pair you want to buy (if you can't try on in store). The whole "sizing down" is bullshit.

For instance, my true waist is about 34" now, but that doesn't matter. I have a pair of 34" weird guys that obviously measure larger, but I couldn't "size down" because of my 26" thighs.
post #7358 of 13379
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Originally Posted by autumndreams View Post


 


 

I know there's a lot of hype surrounding how much to size down when it comes to a pair of jeans.  The truth of the matter is, it's all about the fit you want.  Not sizing down *does not* equal having a pair of clown pants down the road.

 

Sizing down *does* have disadvantages.  The more you size down, the more you force your jeans to stretch to conform to your body.  The more denim stretches, the thinner and weaker it becomes.  The weaker the denim becomes, the less wears you'll get out of that pair of jeans.  Size down too much, and one day you might find a group of complete strangers staring at your exposed legs and underwear.

 

IMO, a person is better off buying a fit that they like, but sizing true or just a little below true, rather than forcing a cut to be something that it is not by sizing down.  However, it is possible to make many fits slimmer by sizing down, if that's what you want.  

 

Here's what I, personally, do.  YMMV:

 

My natural waist, measured at the belly button, is about 33.5".  I'm a big guy at 6'2" and 185 lbs, with an athletic build (read: relatively large thighs).  I typically size my Weird Guys and Slim Guys at a size 33, and my Skinny Guys at a size 34.  These days I buy my jeans to fit, WITHOUT taking stretching into account.  If I size to fit, the waist will stretch out a little from everyday movement, but any stretching is minor and can be easily fixed by wearing a belt.  I experience no bagginess or "diaper ass", my jeans still fit as slim as they did the day I bought them, even after hard wear.

 

My jeans, however, do not measure 33", they tend to measure about 35" (17.5" across, laid flat).  Jeans, especially low-to-mid-rise jeans will almost always measure larger than their tagged size.  The reason for this is twofold: First, low-to-mid rise jeans rest on your hips, not your waist, and a person's hips tend to be wider than their waist.  Second, if they measured *exactly* the same as you do, they would be literally skin tight.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I've owned about 20+ different pairs of Naked & Famous jeans, and in my experience *most* Naked & Famous models with "normal" denim seem to have minimal variation between them. There are exceptions to this rule though: anything with a double-weave fabric (linen blend, blanket-lined) tends to run a size smaller, and there are certain oddball models.

 

You do make a valid point! I am not saying that I want skin tight jeans by any means. If you look at one of my later posts I did inquire Jay at Blue Owl about the size 30's and they had a 32.45" waist which is probably bigger than I want them to be especially after stretching because they will already be loose around my waist to begin with. My true waist size is probably something closer to like 31.75". Granted, tomorrow when I go home I am planning to measure myself to make sure this is still true and if I do fit closer to 32.45" I'll probably snag the size 30. But if I still am the waist size that I think I am then I feel like waiting for some 29's which might be closer to say 31.45" (1" less than the size 30's) will probably be closer to the waist size I want and with some stretching it will probably be closer to what I want. Correct me if I'm wrong. And yes I am taking my "waist" measurements at the hip where my jeans normally sit.

I do have some size 30 Levis 521's and they fit me fine (from what I understand Levi's are vanity sized by 1?) Either way they stretched out to a 33+" waist after like 4 months of wear and its getting hard to keep them up even with a belt. :P I guess my point is that I would rather get them a half an inch small in the waist and let them stretch out a little bit rather than get half an inch too big and have them way to big in a couple months or do you think this is flawed?

 

Edit: This is definitely turning into a hard decision. I'll probably just go to Barneys and hopefully be able to try some on to compare.


Edited by Sean Lew - 2/10/12 at 1:59pm
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Originally Posted by knucks View Post

^this is a good post.
Another thing to add to the above is to take the time to measure either yourself or a pair of jeans/pants that you like the fit of, then compare to the measurements of a pair you want to buy (if you can't try on in store). The whole "sizing down" is bullshit.
For instance, my true waist is about 34" now, but that doesn't matter. I have a pair of 34" weird guys that obviously measure larger, but I couldn't "size down" because of my 26" thighs.


 

I think in general if sizing down is necessary, skinny people should size down more; thicker guys size down less. WG should fit pretty nicely for guys with big thighs.

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Originally Posted by kushburner View Post



 
I think in general if sizing down is necessary, skinny people should size down more; thicker guys size down less. WG should fit pretty nicely for guys with big thighs.

Depends on your definition of "big"...My WG don't fit that nice, but getting better...
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Just meaning they have more room in the thighs relative to the other fits

post #7362 of 13379
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Originally Posted by knucks View Post

^this is a good post.
Another thing to add to the above is to take the time to measure either yourself or a pair of jeans/pants that you like the fit of, then compare to the measurements of a pair you want to buy (if you can't try on in store). The whole "sizing down" is bullshit.
For instance, my true waist is about 34" now, but that doesn't matter. I have a pair of 34" weird guys that obviously measure larger, but I couldn't "size down" because of my 26" thighs.

Sizing down is not "bullshit". It doesn't work on all body types, especially with a cut as odd as the WG, but it works on a lot of people. The reason it doesn't work on you is because of your large thighs, but for anyone who doesn't have large thighs, it works.

It is a fact that WGs have a larger-than-tagged waist measurement, by about 2-3". Therefore, if you don't size down from your actual waist measurement, they will be 2-3" loose in the waist. For some people such as yourself, the thighs will prevent you from sizing down, and there is nothing wrong with that. But if you want the waist to fit, then you need to size down.
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I guess I wasn't clear that that term is dumb.
Just go by measurements is what I was getting at.
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Originally Posted by commodorewheeler View Post


Sizing down is not "bullshit". It doesn't work on all body types, especially with a cut as odd as the WG, but it works on a lot of people. The reason it doesn't work on you is because of your large thighs, but for anyone who doesn't have large thighs, it works.
It is a fact that WGs have a larger-than-tagged waist measurement, by about 2-3". Therefore, if you don't size down from your actual waist measurement, they will be 2-3" loose in the waist. For some people such as yourself, the thighs will prevent you from sizing down, and there is nothing wrong with that. But if you want the waist to fit, then you need to size down.

I can attest to this, as I am a smaller slender guy and although I would be happy in a 29, the over all bagginess throughout the thigh and legs forces me to size down. In my experience if I buy something snug and just wear my jeans often the way I like, they eventually conform to the shape of my body and move with me with minimal bagginess and discomfort.

 

I posted earlier about the Japan Heritages I had bought from a member on here how they were on the really tight side, while the elephant 2's (both Skinny guys) felt to be truer to the sizing chart. Alas, after less then a week of wear, they have stretched just enough to where I dont feel like wearing anything else.

 

I guess the point that commodorewheeler and others are trying to make is that we all have different body types so what works for some people doesn't work for everyone, that being said if you're on the fence about sizing go true to size, if in the end they dont work take it from there exchange or go with a different cut.
 

 

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Rightyow- I wonder how the hell you got into those E2 size 28's!!!!

 

Have they stretched at all? I'm 5'6 and probably 120 or less at the moment and I was able to button the very top with the pants pulled all the way up my ass and the hips were super tight. They pretty much felt like the jeans would've blown out at the hips if I did anything in them. I think I have fit pics on this site several pages back. The rest of the pants fit fine and felt great if I kept them unbuttoned. Too bad I had exchanged them for 30's..should've got 29's but oh well.

 

As for sizing down on WG's...if you're skinny like me you can go TTS on WG's for a slim fit. I got my true size not really knowing they were vanity sized and they fit pretty slim. I'd like them to be slimmer but I'm happy

 

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