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post #7231 of 13377
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Originally Posted by ac_slater View Post

This is because people keep buying the gimmick pairs like crazy, therefore driving the company to focus more on that aspect of their line.
Besides, they already have a well established line of "normal" denim. It would be redundant for them to come out with more "normal" stuff when they already have a solid selection. Makes sense to me.
I have a nudie jacket and it is about the same quality as N&F. I would actually say the quality is a bit better than APC, but keep in mind this is from their high end line and it was a $225 piece.
Their selvedge is a little overpriced for what it is though. They want $270 for jeans that should realistically cost $200 or even less. I am aware they have a lot of fits. But at that price point you can get into Baldwin/Telleson/3sixteen/Momotaro territory.

You do realize Nudie is imported and made in Italy, right? It is not overpriced for the USA market. Those other brands are domestic and you are not paying the same duties/shipping costs that are billed into the product on those items. Momotaro can be a bit different because they are the denim mill, label, desiger, and producer so they can achieve a better price overall than pretty much any other label.

As for N&F, they are creative and it is great to see a brand try to do something different. If you want a normal indigo denim, there are plenty of options out there, but for me personally, I want to wear the N&F denims that are different.
post #7232 of 13377
The tendency to read a few posts on here and sufu about people wanting to cop the "gimmicky" releases gives the false sense that the market as a whole accepts and loves that aspect of NF, though at the core they're still pretty much THE go-to company (at least in North America) for decent quality selvedge and cuts at a relatively low price point.

Regardless, I think people have to realize that NF being able to expand into these quirky fabrics is a sign that they're growing and doing well, or else they wouldn't be investing their money on these and doing more and more collabs. Now, if they increased their price on their mainline stuff that'd be a problem, but no, they're just having fun with it because they can.
post #7233 of 13377
ac_slater is just a huge hater. I don't know why he even posts in this thread
post #7234 of 13377
A few sizing questions:

Do elephant 2 's in WG stretch much? That denim is so heavy I am unsure of how to size... should I size these like normal Weird Guys?

Secondly, in the Slim Shirts, I am a bit unsure what size to order. I am mostly a medium in most US brands (Gap, Old Navy) and have a Slim Shirt in Large that fits a tad loose in the chest,back and arms but pretty good overall. The one issue is the collar is way oversized for my neck,at least .5 bigger.... would sizing down to a medium do the trick? I have a feeling it would be a bit tight for me overall in a medium though.
Edited by spacemanvt - 2/3/12 at 1:30pm
post #7235 of 13377
The things that draw me to N&F are their unique runs of denim. I can't say that about any other denim company. I anticipate their new lines cause they always bring something new to the table.
post #7236 of 13377
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Originally Posted by knucks View Post

ac_slater is just a huge hater. I don't know why he even posts in this thread

because Zack got Kelly
post #7237 of 13377
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Originally Posted by Jay-D View Post

You do realize Nudie is imported and made in Italy, right? It is not overpriced for the USA market. Those other brands are domestic and you are not paying the same duties/shipping costs that are billed into the product on those items. Momotaro can be a bit different because they are the denim mill, label, desiger, and producer so they can achieve a better price overall than pretty much any other label.
As for N&F, they are creative and it is great to see a brand try to do something different. If you want a normal indigo denim, there are plenty of options out there, but for me personally, I want to wear the N&F denims that are different.
I think people misunderstood my tone. I wasn't condemning N&F for making "weird" denim. Hell, I own both the blanket lined and pomegranate. I was just stating the obvious. N&F clearly has seen a lot of success by doing things differently.

Someone was making a point that N&F was beginning to lean more toward the abnormal side of their brand these last two seasons. And my point being, that it makes sense for them to do that, since the market is already saturated with "traditional" denim. It would make no sense for N&F to keep coming out with more stuff similar to the already popular "broken twill" and "deep indigo" styles when there is obviously a much less flooded market for more creative styles.

As for Nudie, I realize that some of the price reflects the import duty. However, I have owned a couple of pairs of nudie selvedge and compared it to other similarly price imported brands. (not just Momo, but also Imperial and 3Sixteen) In my humble opinion, the construction of Nudies is somewhat inferior to those. Not drastically, but there is a difference.

Let's be candid here, Nudie's price does not just reflect import costs, but it reflects the fact that you are paying for a certain name and look. Not necessarily higher quality. If everyone within the USA market was in fact shopping for the most well constructed pair of denim in the sub-$300 price range, they most likely would not be looking at Nudies. I'm not saying that Nudies aren't in the conversation, but I think a large part of what commands their price is simply name and pocket design recognition. I'm not saying this is a bad thing, but merely stating something that should be obvious.
post #7238 of 13377
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Originally Posted by mistahdabolina View Post

3sixteen> N&F>APC in terms of quality and denim imo.
Naked and famous is really starting to become more of a gimmicky brand....idk if its just me though...glow in the dark, pomeg, red and blue jearker jeans, ugly ass check'd twill jeans, "Super heavy denim", raspberry scented denim?
not hating on the brand cause i have multiple pairs, just sayin aha

so what's the gimmick exactly? you make it sound like the entire line is a gimmick, you've basically covered every special run model they've created in 4 years of releases. they do it because they can and they know their market wants something different than they've been offered in the past but as the user base grows people will find their base model pair isn't so rare so they look to collabs and interesting materials to entice their committed users IE something like deep indigo's which were pretty unique when first released, now have 7-8 seasons of release

brandon is smart as shit, he knows one's going to own 3 pairs of deep indigos, much like APC is always creating seasonal NS and PS on top of their black and indigos
post #7239 of 13377
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Originally Posted by ac_slater View Post

I think people misunderstood my tone. I wasn't condemning N&F for making "weird" denim. Hell, I own both the blanket lined and pomegranate. I was just stating the obvious. N&F clearly has seen a lot of success by doing things differently.
Someone was making a point that N&F was beginning to lean more toward the abnormal side of their brand these last two seasons. And my point being, that it makes sense for them to do that, since the market is already saturated with "traditional" denim. It would make no sense for N&F to keep coming out with more stuff similar to the already popular "broken twill" and "deep indigo" styles when there is obviously a much less flooded market for more creative styles.
As for Nudie, I realize that some of the price reflects the import duty. However, I have owned a couple of pairs of nudie selvedge and compared it to other similarly price imported brands. (not just Momo, but also Imperial and 3Sixteen) In my humble opinion, the construction of Nudies is somewhat inferior to those. Not drastically, but there is a difference.
Let's be candid here, Nudie's price does not just reflect import costs, but it reflects the fact that you are paying for a certain name and look. Not necessarily higher quality. If everyone within the USA market was in fact shopping for the most well constructed pair of denim in the sub-$300 price range, they most likely would not be looking at Nudies. I'm not saying that Nudies aren't in the conversation, but I think a large part of what commands their price is simply name and pocket design recognition. I'm not saying this is a bad thing, but merely stating something that should be obvious.

I know you like N&F, just giving you a bit of a hard time.

As for Nudie, I am just arguing they are not overpriced. They are actually a fairly small family owned company that has achieved a lot of success in a short amount of time. Nudie does have marketing and distributors involved which will add to the overall price, but it is not overhelming compared to many other labels, whereas N&F and most of the other brands you mention do not have any marketing costs or distributors, that is where brands like N&F really become a value. I am not going to say Nudie is the best constructed denim, but they are good and they are priced correctly with the shipping costs and duties involved to make the product. They are not using cheaply made fabics and they are constructed in Italy which labor is not cheap. Overall, you should be looking at Nudie as being priced correctly and brands like N&F being grossly underpriced for what they could be. That is the value of brands like N&F and one of the biggest reasons for their success and one of hte main reason I support their label and philosophy.
post #7240 of 13377
the endless chain of in-thread bashing and subsequent make upcircle jerking (its gonna happen soon) of NF never fails to amuse me. Im echoing the comments above but Brandon knows what he is doing. And he does what he wants to do. Its his products and people will buy them.
post #7241 of 13377
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Originally Posted by Jay-D View Post

I know you like N&F, just giving you a bit of a hard time.
As for Nudie, I am just arguing they are not overpriced. They are actually a fairly small family owned company that has achieved a lot of success in a short amount of time. Nudie does have marketing and distributors involved which will add to the overall price, but it is not overhelming compared to many other labels, whereas N&F and most of the other brands you mention do not have any marketing costs or distributors, that is where brands like N&F really become a value. I am not going to say Nudie is the best constructed denim, but they are good and they are priced correctly with the shipping costs and duties involved to make the product. They are not using cheaply made fabics and they are constructed in Italy which labor is not cheap. Overall, you should be looking at Nudie as being priced correctly and brands like N&F being grossly underpriced for what they could be. That is the value of brands like N&F and one of the biggest reasons for their success and one of hte main reason I support their label and philosophy.
I definitely agree that Naked and Famous is under priced. In my opinion the quality is up there with 3Sixteen and (almost) Momotaro. They are without a doubt more better made than APC, which is laughable considering APC's usually cost more.
post #7242 of 13377
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Originally Posted by spacemanvt View Post

A few sizing questions:
Do elephant 2 's in WG stretch much? That denim is so heavy I am unsure of how to size... should I size these like normal Weird Guys?
Secondly, in the Slim Shirts, I am a bit unsure what size to order. I am mostly a medium in most US brands (Gap, Old Navy) and have a Slim Shirt in Large that fits a tad loose in the chest,back and arms but pretty good overall. The one issue is the collar is way oversized for my neck,at least .5 bigger.... would sizing down to a medium do the trick? I have a feeling it would be a bit tight for me overall in a medium though.


mate the best answer anyone can give you is to have your measurements taken and check the sizing charts online. I assume with all button down shirts I buy I will end up getting tailored anyways to ensure a nice fit... when in doubt always size up for shirts. 

 

 

post #7243 of 13377

IMO the slim shirts have a very odd fit. It seems like Brandon designed the fit around his own body rather than a general fit for the masses. Usually for most brands I can get a really good fit varying around small but for the NF slim shirts in a small the shoulders are ridiculously tight while the body is normal. The medium also had an awkward fit.

post #7244 of 13377
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Originally Posted by ac_slater View Post


I definitely agree that Naked and Famous is under priced. In my opinion the quality is up there with 3Sixteen and (almost) Momotaro. They are without a doubt more better made than APC, which is laughable considering APC's usually cost more.


Totally disagree here.  The construction on my Japan Heritages are pretty much shit, worse than my apcs, loose threads everywhere.  Also it seems they use a pretty high gauge thread, so reaching into the back pockets is really scratchy.  The quality is nowhere near 3Sixteen or Momo, to me the appeal of NF is that they just crank out so many denims that pretty much anyone can find one they like, whether its some simple like deep indigo or something crazy like scratch n sniff.

post #7245 of 13377
I would wear those plaid ones with a white tee and Vans. Reminds me of the punk-rock days.
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