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post #16 of 63
Some of the new fees have already been dropped for sellers in the media categories: http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/...9_FORTUNE5.htm
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Of course you do. How many buyers would agree though?

I agree that most buyers will like the new system...And fraudulent buyers/cons will love it even more!
post #18 of 63
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Originally Posted by A Guy from Shanghai View Post
I agree that most buyers will like the new system...And fraudulent buyers/cons will love it even more!

See my reply above.
post #19 of 63
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I'm just saying that, in the normal course of business, buyers are not encouraged to leave honest feedback because sellers use feedback as a retaliation tool. Overall, it doesn't help anyone as feedback scores lose their value and don't protect the honest buyers and sellers.

Fair enough. Do remember though, as fradulent buying behavior becomes more prevalent (which is inevitable IMO), sellers' costs will rise accordingly, and most of that increase will be passed on to buyers in one way or another.
post #20 of 63
Hasta la Victoria, Siempre !
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Fair enough. Do remember though, as fradulent buying behavior becomes more prevalent (which is inevitable IMO), sellers' costs will rise accordingly, and most of that increase will be passed on to buyers in one way or another.

Why would fraudulent behavior become more prevalent? The right answer to fraud is not to leave a negative feedback, it is to file a complaint with eBay, paypal and/or credit card companies, to sue the person guilty of fraud, have his account locked/banned, etc... Fraud is serious business and negative feedback from the seller is not the right answer anyway
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I don't condone fraud - of course - and fraudulent buyers should be punished/banned/sued just like fraudulent sellers. I'm just saying that, in the normal course of business, buyers are not encouraged to leave honest feedback because sellers use feedback as a retaliation tool. Overall, it doesn't help anyone as feedback scores lose their value and don't protect the honest buyers and sellers.

I imagine we may have to reconsider what counts as very good/great feedback. I don't think you'll see as many sellers with 100 percent feedback, or close to. Buyers will feel free to leave negatives, even over trivial issues. Fraudulent sellers, meanwhile, will still artificially inflate their feedback. Ultimately, it may become harder for buyers to determine the reliability of a seller.

As a seller, I don't like the new rules, and as a buyer, I'm not so sure I'm crazy about them, either. If someone had a major problem with a seller, I want to hear about it. But if the complaint is that a seller took three days to ship instead of two, well, that's a waste of my time. And I'm continually amazed at just how petty many of these eBay disputes really are. Some of the feedback is just psychotic.
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I imagine we may have to reconsider what counts as very good/great feedback. I don't think you'll see as many sellers with 100 percent feedback, or close to. Buyers will feel free to leave negatives, even over trivial issues. Fraudulent sellers, meanwhile, will still artificially inflate their feedback. Ultimately, it may become harder for buyers to determine the reliability of a seller.
I agree with that. I would personally much rather see feedbacks of 75% or 80% that actually mean something (i.e. candid, honest feedback), than feedbacks of 99.8% that don't mean a thing (current system). YMMV
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I agree with that. I would personally much rather see feedbacks of 75% or 80% that actually mean something (i.e. candid, honest feedback), than feedbacks of 99.8% that don't mean a thing (current system). YMMV

As would I.

But on the other hand, I don't really think this new feedback system is going to last for any real period of time. It's a step in the right direction, compared to the old system, but it's not the end of the change.

I reiterate what I said earlier that sellers should be able to leave feedback, but only within a certain timeframe after the auction ends, and only before the buyer does.
Though even then, there is still the problem that buyers would leave unfair or incorrect feedback with no sort of consequence.
post #25 of 63
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I agree with that. I would personally much rather see feedbacks of 75% or 80% that actually mean something (i.e. candid, honest feedback), than feedbacks of 99.8% that don't mean a thing (current system). YMMV

I guess I've been lucky that the current system has worked pretty well for me. The sellers with 99.8 percent feedback or better have pretty much always delivered. When I've gotten burned, it's usually because I ignored the red flags at my own peril.

I'd also question the presumption that a 75 percent feedback rating for a reliable seller is really candid and honest. Think of our well-known sellers here. If they ended up with that kind of rating, I'd call it terribly unfair and misleading, especially when the fake Hermes sellers in Asia will continue to inflate their feedback to 95 percent or above.
post #26 of 63
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Why would fraudulent behavior become more prevalent? The right answer to fraud is not to leave a negative feedback, it is to file a complaint with eBay, paypal and/or credit card companies, to sue the person guilty of fraud, have his account locked/banned, etc... Fraud is serious business and negative feedback from the seller is not the right answer anyway
You said it all!!!
post #27 of 63
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Why would fraudulent behavior become more prevalent?

Because under the new system, sellers will not be able to tell a particular buyer is fraudulent or not. That makes it easier than ever to cheat sellers.

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The right answer to fraud is not to leave a negative feedback, it is to file a complaint with eBay, paypal and/or credit card companies, to sue the person guilty of fraud, have his account locked/banned, etc... Fraud is serious business and negative feedback from the seller is not the right answer anyway

All the options that you have suggested are not new. These have been there for years. Under the old system, sellers at least have ONE more route to fight fraud.
post #28 of 63
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I reiterate what I said earlier that sellers should be able to leave feedback, but only within a certain timeframe after the auction ends, and only before the buyer does.
Though even then, there is still the problem that buyers would leave unfair or incorrect feedback with no sort of consequence.

That's an useless compromise. Buyers' performance go beyond making timely payment. Aside from what has already been discussed, having unreasonable expectations then take actions when such expectations go unmet is one of many.
post #29 of 63
One thing about not letting sellers report the buyers... I once reported two sellers for selling insanely fake garbage. I got 2 negative feedbacks from both of them, and since it ruined my feedback score FAR MORE than theirs (they both had like 20x+ the feeedback as me) we had to agree to remove them both, which is complete bullshit, as I did nothing wrong. One of them (who had one of the worst fakes I've EVER seen) actually had 100% feedback!
post #30 of 63
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Originally Posted by onion View Post
One thing about not letting sellers report the buyers... I once reported two sellers for selling insanely fake garbage. I got 2 negative feedbacks from both of them, and since it ruined my feedback score FAR MORE than theirs (they both had like 20x+ the feeedback as me) we had to agree to remove them both, which is complete bullshit, as I did nothing wrong. One of them (who had one of the worst fakes I've EVER seen) actually had 100% feedback!

This, I think, suggests what really needs to happen: eBay needs to abandon its idiotic policy about letting all feedback stand. Too often there is a right and a wrong, but the feedback shows only that there was a dispute. That's not helpful at all.

Such a change, unfortunately, would not address the greater problem that the dispute process is largely a joke.
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