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Those are sweet speakers... quite a beautiful design under the hood as well.

 

Thanks - I really enjoy them, and have yet to hear anything that sounds better to my ears. That said, there's lots I haven't heard. You also mentioned Pass Labs a couple posts back - I drive the Vandy's with the XP 20 into the X250.5, and the synergy is very good. 

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This. A Y, you should weigh in smile.gif

My arch-nemesis and frenemy Artisan Fan must first return in order to balance out the Audiophile Force. (And yes, the Audiophile Force runs balanced.)
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Thanks - I really enjoy them, and have yet to hear anything that sounds better to my ears. That said, there's lots I haven't heard. You also mentioned Pass Labs a couple posts back - I drive the Vandy's with the XP 20 into the X250.5, and the synergy is very good. 

Whoa, you're a baller. Nice amps.

What are you using for a source?
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Just a humble old Musical Fidelity A3.5 CDP. While it lacks some detail, it has a very organic sound with good imaging and works really well with the rest of the system. I've looked at some newer CDPs, but am leaning in the direction of a DAC instead. Just got to find the right one...at the right price.

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DACs are a moving target... not sure about spending big $ on one. But right now it would be either the AURALiC VEGA or YULONG DA8 depending on budget, imo. I have a Schiit Bifrost uber and it's a nice DAC but the Auralic crushes it.

 

Anyway... my system is OMEGA Super 3s run with a 6SN7 tube pre and EL34 SET amp. It works great in small rooms/nearfield. It doesn't do high volumes, but if that's not necessary the Omegas are some of the best speakers in the world regardless of price.

 

http://www.omegaloudspeakers.com/

 

I also just started a biz, I'm starting with cables and will eventually move to amps. The cables are the best value in the industry bar none and are built with genuine UPOCC metals. I have no overhead and no middle man which allows me to offer a price 3-5x lower than typical. Sorry for the spam.

 

http://www.davescables.com/

 

 

 

 

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Hey guys, I seeking some advice-


I have nice tube amps and speakers. I have avoided vinyl since 1980 but want to put together a good sounding entry level turntable, cartridge and phono pre-amp.


I've considered a used Techniques. Or should I get one of the good, brand new starter turntables? If so which one? What cartridge? Also, what is the least expensive phono preamp options that will offer a nice warm sound?

I don't know how deep I would go back into vinyl. I have access to a lot of old, used records, but I doubt I will be forking over a lot of $$$$ for high-end reissues.
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Originally Posted by Longmorn View Post

Just a humble old Musical Fidelity A3.5 CDP. While it lacks some detail, it has a very organic sound with good imaging and works really well with the rest of the system. I've looked at some newer CDPs, but am leaning in the direction of a DAC instead. Just got to find the right one...at the right price.

You should switch to streaming! Lots of great DAC's out there now.

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Hey guys, I seeking some advice-


I have nice tube amps and speakers. I have avoided vinyl since 1980 but want to put together a good sounding entry level turntable, cartridge and phono pre-amp.


I've considered a used Techniques. Or should I get one of the good, brand new starter turntables? If so which one? What cartridge? Also, what is the least expensive phono preamp options that will offer a nice warm sound?

I don't know how deep I would go back into vinyl. I have access to a lot of old, used records, but I doubt I will be forking over a lot of $$$$ for high-end reissues.

I pinged a friend for you...

A Rega RP1 is a great starter table. You might consider a Rega, Nagoka or Zu Audio cartridge. You need a tonearm too.

For phono pre's, if you want to spend, the Simaudio Moon 310LP is superb. NAD makes a starter that is like $200. Also Soundsmith at different price points.

HTH
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this has been the most erudite tubes vs SS debate I have ever heard.

"There was an article in Stereophile I read but I don't have it any more and it said tubes are great."

"Guitar amps use tubes that's why you should use tubes"

"Michelin restaurants"

I don't know about you guys but I threw out my Plinius yesterday and I'm going straight out to buy me some tube shit tomorrow.
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this has been the most erudite tubes vs SS debate I have ever heard.

You seem to be selectively picking sides. It seems to me that it was the SS fan that informs himself based purely on other people's opinion marauding as academic info. I can only speak for myself, but my current choice of valves is based solely on what my ears tell me after 30 years of being an audio enthusiast.

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I don't know about you guys but I threw out my Plinius yesterday and I'm going straight out to buy me some tube shit tomorrow.

Where does this attitude come from???? Get yourself into a snit if that's how you roll, but I don't think any tube enthusiasts ever suggested SS users should switch. Valve sound is just a flavour that I happen to like at the moment. Wasn't always that way, and may not be that way down the road, as both have their strong points based on the synergy of the system they are involved in.
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I don't really intend to take sides. I've listened to some tube stuff and been very impressed. I liked it and would consider it. I do have SS equipment now, however.

Nonetheless, the arguments I've heard in this thread towards the tube stuff have been particularly unconvincing. Yes, I was lampooning. Sorry if that offended.
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idnfl - thanks! I went to Sterephile Recommended List 2013 and they said something similar. I think I will look aound eBay and see if anyone is selling an RP1 with upgrades at a good price. Chances are pretty good that once I take this step I will be looking to upgrade in a year or so.
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idnfl - thanks! I went to Sterephile Recommended List 2013 and they said something similar. I think I will look aound eBay and see if anyone is selling an RP1 with upgrades at a good price. Chances are pretty good that once I take this step I will be looking to upgrade in a year or so.

He probably used it as a reference, we both subscribe. He's nuts over phono... his table is one of those older Linn's but its all modified. I believe he has the Moon 5.3 pre.

I sold off my unit 2 years ago, I had an 80's AR, just too much hassle. It did sound great, though. Actually, the dude that sold it to me bought it back.

That Rega table is on ebay and audiogon 2nd hand all the time. I believe the older model is the P1.
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Douglas you have left out two important things to consider: a) Tubes simply look cooler b) Bragging rights
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I was resisting the urge to reply since it's fruitless, but Douglas and then freshcut's reply reinvigorated me.

 

To preface, for tubes vs. SS, I am in complete agreement their is an audible difference, and I don't think that's even being discussed anymore.

 

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I'm not dismissing anything, what I'm saying is there is a big difference between what equipment measures and what is audible. I know the research you point to, but I return to the car analogy which I am not sure you understood... you can (for argument's sake) measure 2 cars to be identical in all kinds of key metrics, but you drive them and they feel completely different. You can put a science hat on and claim its impossible since scientifically they measure the same, and I will say sure, they do but they cars feel completely different to me... 

 

On the contrary, you obviously did not understand me in the slightest. You absolutely can not measure two cars identical in all quantifiable aspects that will feel different.

 

Here are useful articles on how dynamic measurements correlate to feel and feedback: 

http://www.caranddriver.com/comparisons/measuring-handling-page-9

http://www.caranddriver.com/features/electric-vs-hydraulic-steering-a-comprehensive-comparison-test-feature

 

If they feel different, they measure different, period. There is not 6th-sense between car and man; it is fully tactile and obeys the laws of physics.

 

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Just like an amp sounds much better when its warm and has been running a few hours. And that equipment needs break in time.

 

This is even more audiophile salesmanship bull. What adjusts to the sound is betwixt your ears, not the equipment. The degree to which electrical equipment undergoes any transformation is instantaneous and/or minute (ie within tolerance) enough to have no effect on the circuit.

 
Measurements are fine, but what really counts for me for an amplifier is how fast/slow it is, how musical or colored it is vs flat response, and most important of all its ability to produce resolution.
 
Slew rate, Jitter, THD, frequency response, resolution, dynamic range... these are all quantifiable. Any amp worth it's weight is flat 20hz-20khz, <0.10% THD, etc.

 

I cannot tell you how many reference recordings I have that I have tried on new amps and heard new nuances in the music... you can't really measure resolution, but you can sure hear it.

 

Haha, what? This is sampling rate and why the sell 24-bit, 352kHz "extreme-HD" recordings specifically to people like you. Sony & Phillips knew what they were doing when they created the Redbook format. The human hearing can not discern differences beyond 16bit/44.1kHz. I've hashed this over in this thread already discussing the merits of digital over analog, Nyquist et al.

 

You can't even hear the difference between uncompressed formats and a 320kpbs mp3. This has been documented ad naseum.

 

This site goes one further and does 128kpbs vs. 320kpbs: http://mp3ornot.com/

 

But ya, you sure can hear the difference in quality between a radio stream and a CD... and you can also measure it.

 

And finally, if you fail to hear a difference between a $399 best buy amp and a Pass Labs then fine, but its unfair to discount that others can and dismiss it as psychobabble.

 

It is highly unlikely you would be able to differentiate between comparable SS amplifiers in an proper level-matched double-blind (ABX) test, as no one else on the planet has been able to with any authority.

 

I proffer scientific studies and expert opinion and you are bringing evidence that is very personal, limited, anecdotal and linked to a vested interest in the audiophile industry. The burden of proof is on you.

 

 

Originally Posted by freshcutgrass View Post

It seems to me that it was the SS fan that informs himself based purely on other people's opinion marauding as academic info. 

 

Give me a break. The ABX tests are within strict adherence to the scientific method, and the 'other people' are well established with lofty credentials that make them much more of an authority on the subject than your own personal myopic standpoint.

 

 

 

The audiophile argument strongly parallels Science vs. Faith.

 

 

Anyway, I guess I'll go back to threads about shoes and leave you guys alone to continue your "which amp is good?" thread.

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The audiophile argument strongly parallels Science vs. Faith.

In other words, you go buy the Best Buy stuff, I'll continue to fool myself and buy the nice shit. We're both happy. I appreciate all the science, but IMO its just not as simple as you make it out to be. I'll continue to maintain there is a difference between measurement and what's actually heard.
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