Originally Posted by Longmorn
I have heard very high end examples of both, and strongly disagree with this statement. Part of the challenge in defining the difference is A) accounting for the entire playback chain, B) accounting for synergy between components. Acknowledging those limitations, I think good digital sounds better than good vinyl...BUT, everyone hears differently so it is ultimately a matter of subjective taste. While this may be true for you, sweeping generalizations of this sort aren't justified.
But even more to the point - can we at least acknowledge that different people have different tastes, and avoid repeating the endless vinyl vs digital wars that bog down so many discussions of audio?
Re Apartment audio - I honestly don't know what you guys are talking about WRT full range being impossible. I've got Vandy 5As that push down to 20 Hz in an apartment and haven't had a single complaint playing a mix of jazz, classical, opera, blues, rock, and electronica.
#1, I sold my vinyl setup off. It's too cumbersome.
Digitial has caught it up, but its a subjective preference. I don't have the time and patience anymore to curtate a vinyl collection even though *I* think it sounds better. You just cannot replace that weighty, lush sound that comes from a record. A tube amp is a great analogy, tubes just have a different feel to them.
Re Re apartment audio... look, to make a long story short I would never enjoy full range speakers because *I* would constantly be worried the neighbors were hearing it. Its kind of like trying to enjoy a hike when rain keeps threatening.
Originally Posted by MarioImpemba
Holy shit, that is one misinformed article. I suggest you might do a bit of better research. That piece doesn't even cite an author, probably out of embarrassment, and is just some random persons misguided notions.
Nyquist demonstrates that interpolating a sinusoidal wave through Redbook bit-depth reproduces an analog signal perfectly. You can't argue math.
Analog also has higher distortion, way worse snr, and consequently worse dynamic range.
Also, the aforementioned degradation of physical copy as you mention, along with a drastic difference in physical footprint to assemble a catalog of vinyl albums vs. a hard drive.
Some people enjoy the harmonic distortion that is added by things like tube amps/preamps, and vinyl pressings. This is subjective, however, and you can easily add the same effects digitally should you choose.
Objectively, digital can more faithfully reproduce recordings better than vinyl without introducing artifacts like higher THD.
Modern dithering and jitter management effectively abolish any perceivable drawbacks to digital.
It's hard for me to let it go when someone is calling the sky Green when it is in fact Blue. This isn't a subjective matter. Digital is objectively better in all aspects.
Dude, I just picked the first one I could find. There are 100's of them from more reputable sources. I chose something more dumbed down.
Math? Digital can't reporduce an analog sine wave perfectly. It may reach the point of imperceptible which is a distinction without a difference. Its like an LED TV, you can keep adding and shrinking the pixels but in the end they are tiny little squares.
I agree, digital has evolved a lot. But, that said, they don't sound the same to me, setup aside. I've listened to enough variations of equipment to feel confident in it.
Again, personal preference, I will say most audiophiles side with vinyl and its not nostalgia. Even my ex, with bricks for ears, prefered a vinyl representation of the same album over its digital counterpart.
Originally Posted by sonick
Shit what have I started.
I only asked coz I have a bunch of vinyl but no record player, was wondering what kind of reasoning you would've given for that statement.
This is an old debate. You didn't start it. You just lit a match in a forest in the middle of a drought.
Originally Posted by sonick
Also I have several records where the (superior) master mix cannot be found on digital formats (short of ripping the vinyl to digital).
Also, today's recordings are getting so bad its beyond belief. Compression has ruined dynamics completely. You wouldn't believe how many albums sound an inch deep with no soundstage on a full range system.