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post #1981 of 2497
entry level shit

stumbled upon some old pics spring cleaning



In a 11' x 15' room it's probably impossible to beat without spending at least 5K more
post #1982 of 2497
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PSB speakers and Rotel?
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post #1984 of 2497

I grew up listening to my father's AR Turntable feeding an Onkyo Integra amp and a pair of JBL L112s. At Christmastime, I spent some time listening to some vinyl with my gf on that system and it was sounding really, really good. I'm thinking that a nice 2 channel system would be very nice. I'm probably only really interested in dropping a grand or so (Amp/preamp/speakers), and I could probably do that by picking up an vintage Integra amp/preamp ($500 total), and dropping the rest on speakers, though I have a sent of JBL bookshelf speakers which are pretty decent. Is that reasonable, or should I really be considering something more modern -- heck, maybe I should just get a surround receiver and use that?


Thoughts? Ideas? Suggestions for components, vintage or modern, especially the amp and speakers?


~ H






(I spent a lot of time watching those VU meters dance in my younger days)


~ H

post #1985 of 2497
If you want something simple (it kind of sounds like it), try an integrated amp instead of separate amp and preamp. If you liked the JBL, then you should get it or some modern equivalent. Many of the cheap Harman speakers like the JBLs and the Infinity Primus are really good speakers for the value.

Do you need to get a turntable, too?
post #1986 of 2497
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At $500 for integrated and $500 for speakers I would look at used Rotel or NAD gear. Both are great.

For speakers, look at Magnepan MMGs, Paradigm or PSB monitors, or audioengine speakers.

MMGs are really terrific for the money. I friend of mine just got a pair of these and they sound excellent...

Free 30 day in-home trial as well so you can hear them in your own room which is important for acoustics.
post #1987 of 2497
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For a turntable at the low end you really need at least $400. I really like the Music Hall 2.2 and the Rega RP1.

If you must spend less look at the $300 or so Audio Technica tables LP-120s.

But you get much more sound at the $400 range and get close to good quality digital when done right.

Also a general rule of thumb, the more on the table, the nicer the included needle/cartridge which has a nice impact. I'm very impressed with the budget "Tracker" cart on the Music 2.2 LE.
post #1988 of 2497
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Rega RP1 link, a perennial favorite among most audiophiles:
post #1989 of 2497

Thanks, AY and AF.


AY, I was considering some integrated amps -- it is cheaper and simpler and takes less space. I will need a turntable, and I posted about that in the turntable thread. I was considering a Rega, and AF suggested I also look at the Music Hall 2.2, but what I really wanted was appropriate guts with which I could fab my own plinth out of something beautiful.


AF, thanks for the suggestions; I believe I've heard you rep the Mangepans before. I'll look at Rotel and NAD for the amp, too.


I guess it is fairly accurate to say that surround recievers don;t really have phono stages? It would be nice to have the L and R channel speakers serve a dual purpose as the L & R for a surround setup as well, but I guess that is asking too much,


~ H


post #1990 of 2497
Just don't try and run Magnepans with a surround sound receiver. I've always avoided electrostats because of high power requirements and difficult DIY maintenance. Buying new would at least alleviate the latter issue.

Integrated amps are convenient if you can find one with a good phono stage. On the other hand, separates tend to offer better performance and much more flexibility for the future. I used a nice integrated forever before I switched to separates. If you're an enthusiast, it's usually only a matter of time before you feel like upgrading or simply trying something new. Integrated amps make this a little more difficult and expensive. It all depends on whether you're simply buying a system because you need one (everyone should have a decent hi-fi) or if you're taking up a new hobby.

That Onkyo Integra posted above (M-504 maybe?) is one of my favorite amps in terms of aesthetics. I get such a thrill out of those huge VU meters.

Finally, another +1 for the Rega RP1. I've read good things about the Music Halls, but have never actually heard one.
post #1991 of 2497
Most receivers today don't have phono stages, but some integrateds do. You can always buy a relatively inexpensive outboard phono preamp that performs pretty well.

Maggies are not electrostats. They are planar magnetics, and they have a pretty benign input impedance, so they are pretty amp friendly --- just make sure the receiver can drive a 4-Ohm load relatively well (not all can). Their input impedance is also mostly resistive, whereas some old school electrostats looked like capacitors from the amp's POV, and could drive some amps into instability.
post #1992 of 2497
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Andre is right here. In fact the new Maggie line is slightly more sensitive to power, in other words easier to drive.

You can get a good NAD or Bellari phono stage for $200 so its not a big cost but as with anything else the more you spend, the more you get.

I will do some research on custom plinths and see what can be done there. Huntsman, can I assume you have some good woodworking skills?
post #1993 of 2497
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You could build a cocobolo plinth and sit the table into it like this:

Or you can get a Sota table (some used in the House tv series) in cocobolo and other finishes but its a lot of money:
post #1994 of 2497
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Also see the bottom of this page for some plinth mods for a SL-1200.
post #1995 of 2497
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A Rega modded with wood veneers:

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