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post #6916 of 12536
What I have of it, I really like. If it weren't so expensive, I'd buy more.
post #6917 of 12536
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Originally Posted by Eustace Tilley View Post

 

Well, it was meant as an exaggeration as they're obviously not picking your pockets - you're willfully paying their price. My broader point was that it's unfair to justify the LL's straight-from-the-mill prices based on the fact that cut lengths bought from a local distributor are similarly priced. Not a lot of people, and certainly no tailors, are paying 100 gbp / meter for Lesser / Smiths, but everyone (incl. the tailors) are paying the LL's stipulated price. There's a significant mark-up at work there.

 

Like I said earlier, I don't begrudge Alden his profit, but I remain surprised that his products have so quickly and effectively recalibrated price expectations amongst members.

 

To give one recent example, a couple of NY members PM'ed me expressing interest in a heavyweight tweed I own. When I mentioned that I paid only 30 gbp / meter (ordered direct from the mill), they both automatically became skeptical as the LL charged so much more for 'quality, old-world' goods. It didn't matter that this was the same mill that makes Huntsman's house tweeds - the simple price discrepancy led them to discount the value of the competing tweed.

 

Alden has had the perverse effect of increasing price expectations of internauts, and also making it very difficult for people not connected to his online Cosa Nostra to access decent flannels from Fox Bros. for instance, which last year were all £40/m.  He's effectively narrowing choice for us all and duping those one might collaborate with for runs of your own into thinking that £30/m means the cloth is polyester or some rot.

 

A pox on him and his house. 

post #6918 of 12536
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Originally Posted by poorsod View Post

I am surprised none of you complain about the London Lounge linen shirting price. I forget if it is 50 or 100 GBP/m.
Interestingly enough, it's actually less than what I get charged by Ascot Chang for good cloth. Whether it's their desire for margins from high end clients or huge HK taxes, prices on their better shirts get astonishingly high-- even higher than CMT with LL linen.
post #6919 of 12536
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Originally Posted by poorsod View Post

I am surprised none of you complain about the London Lounge linen shirting price. I forget if it is 50 or 100 GBP/m.

 

I would but I might be thought a bore.  £50/m ex-VAT for linen, you can get it from plenty of weavers for £10~£14 even on a cut length basis. 

post #6920 of 12536
Which ones?
post #6921 of 12536
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Originally Posted by ThinkDerm View Post

Would you mind sharing with us the tailor you're referring to here?

I'm in Calgary, Canada and my tailor is Umberto's Custom Tailor.
post #6922 of 12536

Delfino hemp / wool sportcoating courtesy of badsha:

 

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Fox Khaki:

 

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18oz. Harris:

 

post #6925 of 12536
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Originally Posted by poorsod View Post

I am surprised none of you complain about the London Lounge linen shirting price. I forget if it is 50 or 100 GBP/m.
The same shirting (made by the same mill) can be bought in Italy at 25 euro per meter from shops....
post #6926 of 12536
What mill Marco? Thanks
post #6927 of 12536
Hi guys, love this thread and the vast knowledge a lot of you have. It's very impressive. I was hoping someone in this thread could help me locate some fabric I have searching for for quite some time.

I'm looking for a prince of wales fabric with a very bold pattern. I have found that with the vast majority of POW suits and fabrics I have seen take the appareance of a plain grey or brown suit at any significant distance. I want something that pops.

Looking for 4m to have a full suit made. Or if the price isn't completely out of hand 5m for a three piece.

Looking for grey or brown as a base color Willing to consider a variety of pattern colors and fabric weight.

Please if you think you know of any fabrics that fit this description let me know. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you
post #6928 of 12536
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Originally Posted by SickOfBeingRich View Post

Hi guys, love this thread and the vast knowledge a lot of you have. It's very impressive. I was hoping someone in this thread could help me locate some fabric I have searching for for quite some time.

I'm looking for a prince of wales fabric with a very bold pattern. I have found that with the vast majority of POW suits and fabrics I have seen take the appareance of a plain grey or brown suit at any significant distance. I want something that pops.

Looking for 4m to have a full suit made. Or if the price isn't completely out of hand 5m for a three piece.

Looking for grey or brown as a base color Willing to consider a variety of pattern colors and fabric weight.

Please if you think you know of any fabrics that fit this description let me know. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you

 

Marling & Evans has a variety of PoW suitings in offbeat colors - grey w/ green / blue, purple / blue etc.

post #6929 of 12536
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Originally Posted by C&A View Post

What mill Marco? Thanks
I think it was discussed early in this thread that it was Ulster Weavers although they sell to italian shop under a different name part if the same group. They won't sell cut lengths directly anymore because of LL telling them not to... You can also buy their linen through Emma Willis, or so I was told by a guy that discuss this with them.

To be fair you can buy similar Irish linen by many other sources even cheaper. Already at 40 euro I would rather buy G&R finest linen, that is way better then anything coming out of Ireland (I own a length of it ready to be made up in a fantastic business shirt) or Riva linen blends. I should pick up two shirts I got made in two weeks, one in Riva and the other in UW linen, and will post picture for comparisons.
post #6930 of 12536
The problem with The LL Cloth Club is not the price or the cloth but name and communication, which give the impression of a community, although it is a cloth merchant business.
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