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post #3556 of 12243
I really like the Botany book - some amazing colours (especially navies) - and it drapes like a dream. Pretty much my go-to cloth for colder weather clothing

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post #3557 of 12243
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Smith's botany (13 oz) has a drier hand than the Lesser 13. Otherwise they perform similarly. I haven't made anything from the Smith 11/12 oz books.

 

Just ot clarify - what do you mean by 'a drier hand' - is the fabric a little crisper, less fluid feeling?

post #3558 of 12243
Unfortunately, the Botany book at Isles wasn't in great shape so I don't have those swatches yet - I'll be in London in two weeks and will try to track down over there.

Does anyone know where I can see Smith samples in London? At W Bill, or do they maintain a separate location?

Also, anyone have any experience with the Smith 11/12 oz book? Apparently that brown/black PoW isn't in the Botany.
post #3559 of 12243
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Originally Posted by FlyingMonkey View Post

Just ot clarify - what do you mean by 'a drier hand' - is the fabric a little crisper, less fluid feeling?

Dry and coarse versus slick and smooth fabrics.
post #3560 of 12243
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Unfortunately, the Botany book at Isles wasn't in great shape so I don't have those swatches yet - I'll be in London in two weeks and will try to track down over there.
Does anyone know where I can see Smith samples in London? At W Bill, or do they maintain a separate location?
Also, anyone have any experience with the Smith 11/12 oz book? Apparently that brown/black PoW isn't in the Botany.

Smith is really good about mailing swatches, just email them - sales@smithwoollens.co.uk

Also, for what it's worth, my experience with Smith vs Lesser in 13 oz is that the Lesser is a little more stiff and dense, whereas the Botany has a smoother and more fluid feel. Lesser performs better but I prefer Smith's colors.
post #3561 of 12243
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Originally Posted by yywwyy View Post

That Minnis fresco cloth says 280/310gms... why is that? which is it?

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Originally Posted by Despos View Post

I thought it was a 280/310 gms, yard/ meter ratio. Meter being about 10% longer than a yard therefore a 10% weight difference.

Disclaimer: I made this up in my head as an explanation. It is not based in fact. I'll ask someone who knows next week. Stay tuned.


Asked three people this morning, each of them have been in the cloth business a minimum of 30 years and each answered this differently and all said they would ask someone else to verify an answer.

Most common in all the answers were a variance of finished widths of the cloth, 58 to 60" wide. Type of finishing, brushing cloth to get a mill finish seems to add weight. Conversion of yards and ounces to meters and grams. Cloth weighed in ounces is measured in running yards meaning the cloth is folded and measured at a yards length. When cut in meters they use a square meter or a cloth that is one meter by one meter. Answer is some of the above or all of the above or somewhere in between or something totally different.
Regardless, it's almost impossible to discern the difference between 280 and 310 grams.
post #3562 of 12243
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Dry and coarse versus slick and smooth fabrics.

 

Okay, got it. Thanks.

post #3563 of 12243
Thanks, Despos. It certainly makes sense.
post #3564 of 12243
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Originally Posted by medtech_expat View Post

Unfortunately, the Botany book at Isles wasn't in great shape so I don't have those swatches yet - I'll be in London in two weeks and will try to track down over there.
Does anyone know where I can see Smith samples in London? At W Bill, or do they maintain a separate location?
Also, anyone have any experience with the Smith 11/12 oz book? Apparently that brown/black PoW isn't in the Botany.

If that's the Blue Riband book, I took a close look at the book and almost pulled the trigger, but changed my mind and went with Minnis Classic. I asked around about the book and almost no one had experience with it. I'd love to hear a report if you use it. The book is full of great patterns.
post #3565 of 12243
Thanks guys, will reach out directly to Smith and post other interesting swatches. I may very well go ahead with the brown black PoW from the 11/12 oz. book, and if so will share my feedback.
post #3566 of 12243
I believe those samples are from teh SW CONNOISSEUR bunch. Also, you can visit SW (16a Dufours Place) and look through the books
post #3567 of 12243

I have a couple of suits from the Smith Blue Riband book, and it is solid stuff. Drier and not as fancy as the Lesser 11oz. Recommeded.

post #3568 of 12243
Anyone have a source for minnis flannel that would allow some discount to be had?
post #3569 of 12243
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Anyone have a source for minnis flannel that would allow some discount to be had?

Order flannel of comparable quality direct from Fox for 60% of the Minnis price.
post #3570 of 12243
Have not tried fox, but do have samples that look great, what weights do they carry?
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