I think the two are bit different. First coat: extremely high gorge. Â Notice the mid-point of the notch, the trough of the "v" as it were. Â Imagine a line that horizontally bisects the notch. Â Notice how that line goes right through the top of the sleevehead, right through the point where the shoulder ends and the sleeve begins. Â That's the idea you want to convey. Hard to tell, but I would say: natural shoulder, on the deltiod (i.e., no extension). Â It looks to me like a very slim coat. Â Not a huge amount of waist suppression, because overall the coat is so slim that it doesn't need it. Â Very open front below the waist button. Â "2 1/2" or "roll through" button stance. Second coat: slightlly more built-up shoulders. Â Looks like a thicker pad. Â Shoulder looks a bit extended beyond the natural line. Â Gorge is a fraction lower. Â Slightly swelled chest to balance the extended shoulder. Â Lower button stance (but both are quite high); buttons closer together. Â True 3-button stance (i.e., short lapel roll). Â More of an hourglass waist. I agree with LA Guy that both coats look a little long, which is somewhat unusual for a Neapolitan silhouette. Personally, I like the first coat better, but it will be harder to copy.