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post #76 of 81
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Originally Posted by Mark Seitelman
Here's my two cents: I never met Mr. Kabbaz. I am not a customer. I have no vested interest in this subject. Based on reading his website and various posts here and at Ask Andy, he is a most serious craftsman of the old school. His shirts are probably in the Rolls Royce class. I think that comparing his product to other shirt brands and makers is like comparing a Toyota to a Rolls. True, a Toyota Camry will get you to the same destinations as the Rolls. Also, the Toyota is much, much cheaper. But a Rolls, is a Rolls, is a Rolls, etc. Although I shall probably never become a customer, it is comforting to know that there is a shirtmaker out there who is a supreme craftsman (perhaps artist?). BTW, for his CEO clients who might spend $6,000 or more on a bespoke suit, an accopanying shirt costing $600 (or 10% of the suit cost) is not unreasonable. I would say that a $600 shirt with a $200 Syms suit is out of whack.
I don't know--Rolls Royce was a pretty stagnant company until recently.
post #77 of 81
A late friend of mine had every bit of clothes he owned made for him...suits by Davies, shirts by Arthur Gluck, shoes by Foster. Nonetheless, he said that if RTW fit had him well, he would not have bought bespoke.

Part of the equation must be how well the Borrelli, or Kiton, or whatever well made RTW shirt fits. Some people are fortunate enough to fit fine RTW perfectly and others are not. For those who are not so lucky, the best alternative is bespoke...like the obviously exemplary shirts made by Mr. Kabbaz.

My tailor, whom I trust, said a Kiton shirt I brought to him, was the best made shirt he had ever seen...and he was trained in Germany and has "seen it all." Frankly, my Borrellis fit me perfectly and the Kiton does not.

My friend above recommended Chester Barrie to me as the best RTW tailoring available (with Oxxford) and was lucky enough to fit them perfectly until they went bust years ago, and now I am still on the lookout for what fits me.

I expect that for those who can well afford Mr. Kabbaz's shirts, they are worth it. But, for those who fit a particularly well made RTW perfectly, they are not.
post #78 of 81
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Originally Posted by tteplitzmd
I liken it to the difference between a $250/hr lawyer and the $600/hr lawyer: you get a better spell checker for the $600/hr fee.
It is a sign of the times that you have to pay a premium for a job to be done properly.
Nah. You don't realize the difference a $600 lawyer makes until something unexpected crops up.
post #79 of 81
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Originally Posted by martan
A late friend of mine had every bit of clothes he owned made for him...suits by Davies, shirts by Arthur Gluck, shoes by Foster. Nonetheless, he said that if RTW fit had him well, he would not have bought bespoke.

Part of the equation must be how well the Borrelli, or Kiton, or whatever well made RTW shirt fits. Some people are fortunate enough to fit fine RTW perfectly and others are not. For those who are not so lucky, the best alternative is bespoke...like the obviously exemplary shirts made by Mr. Kabbaz.

My tailor, whom I trust, said a Kiton shirt I brought to him, was the best made shirt he had ever seen...and he was trained in Germany and has "seen it all." Frankly, my Borrellis fit me perfectly and the Kiton does not.

My friend above recommended Chester Barrie to me as the best RTW tailoring available (with Oxxford) and was lucky enough to fit them perfectly until they went bust years ago, and now I am still on the lookout for what fits me.

I expect that for those who can well afford Mr. Kabbaz's shirts, they are worth it. But, for those who fit a particularly well made RTW perfectly, they are not.
I think Chester Barrie is still around? They were did have problems, but were bought out?
post #80 of 81
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Originally Posted by martan
A late friend of mine had every bit of clothes he owned made for him...suits by Davies, shirts by Arthur Gluck, shoes by Foster. Nonetheless, he said that if RTW fit had him well, he would not have bought bespoke.

Part of the equation must be how well the Borrelli, or Kiton, or whatever well made RTW shirt fits. Some people are fortunate enough to fit fine RTW perfectly and others are not. For those who are not so lucky, the best alternative is bespoke...like the obviously exemplary shirts made by Mr. Kabbaz.

My tailor, whom I trust, said a Kiton shirt I brought to him, was the best made shirt he had ever seen...and he was trained in Germany and has "seen it all." Frankly, my Borrellis fit me perfectly and the Kiton does not.

My friend above recommended Chester Barrie to me as the best RTW tailoring available (with Oxxford) and was lucky enough to fit them perfectly until they went bust years ago, and now I am still on the lookout for what fits me.

I expect that for those who can well afford Mr. Kabbaz's shirts, they are worth it. But, for those who fit a particularly well made RTW perfectly, they are not.

I agree with this to a point.

One thing about bespoke is not simply that it fits, but how it fits. Even if you fit RTW well, I still think that a great bespoke garment will fit better. Sometimes the fit is so different in degree that it is different in kind.
post #81 of 81
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Originally Posted by tteplitzmd
These exchanges read like an infomercial. I have no vested interest, so to speak, in the merchant or product. My sense is that for a high price you get a very fine product. I liken it to the difference between a $250/hr lawyer and the $600/hr lawyer: you get a better spell checker for the $600/hr fee.
It is a sign of the times that you have to pay a premium for a job to be done properly.
That analogy holds when what "doing the job right" is relatively easy to define. Certainly, there are many law-talking tasks where it makes sense to hire less expensive law-talking guy or gal, and where mere competence is more than enough. However, there are many situations where what a client is asking of the lawyer is to provide advice, guidance, and assistance in resolving a complex situation where relatively obscure matters of judgment can have long-term consequences measured in millions of dollars or years of personal freedom. To paraphrase something Mr. Kabbaz said earlier in this post, most of the folks who choose to pay my rates (which are less than $600/hour but more than $250) ain't stupid. (And fwiw, I often advise people who approach me with relatively straightforward legal issus that I'm not the most economically sensible choice for them, even when they're prepared to pay my fees.)
And FWIW, the $600/hour lawyer and the $250/hour lawyer are almost certainly using the same computerized spell-checking software, so if that's the perceived marginal value for which you've been paying, you've been pissing away $350/hour.
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