I have owned both Custom Shop shirts and Jantzen. The most I have spent on a shirt was the Liste Rouge, 260 dollars I think, but that high price was due to my ordering only one, which drives the cost up considerably. They are usually offering some kind of deal, either a free shirt or shipping, so the cost is closer to 200 dollars/ shirt normally. Second of all, I am not the connoisseur of shirt manufacture that Kabbaz or Shirtmaven are, so my remarks have to be taken in that context. There are three parts in the manufacture of a custom shirt, whether MTM or bespoke or something in between, the fitting, the material, Â and the construction. My most beautiful shirts for a variety of reasons are my Barbas and Giam Paulo's (a little known brand similar to Barba). Carlo Franco's is also very nice, but I own only one. The fitting can be done a variety of ways. Kabbaz' sounds like it is the most certain and exhaustive. Liste Rouge's is the simplest, on-line, and my one shirt from them was spot-on. Jantzen's sleeves were slightly short, apparently a frequent problem. FOR ME, the two things that determine whether I love my shirt is fit and not construction but the material. The fine points of construction strike me as preferences that amount to very little. I did notice that Land's End seams were quite ugly so perhaps it has some significance but all these shirts are attractive superficially speaking, Jantzen, Liste Rouge, Barba and Giam Paulo. Custom Shop shirts fit badly more times than not, their refusal to acknowledge their errors was legendary, and their materials, at least of the shirts my father and I owned, sucked. Getting a well-constructed shirt, as others have pointed out, is easy these days. Getting a well-fitted shirt is not that hard but not a snap, depending on your habitus. If you have enough money, 600 dollars/shirt becomes insignificant compared to the time wasted on bad fitting shirts and fixing them. I will never blow that kind of money on a shirt, but I can easily see all the money I am willing to spend to save time on other items. My beautiful Borrelli jacket, which I got from Ian Daniels for 800 dollars, was not worth the trouble I went to to get it to fit. I could have had a comparable d'Avenza jacket for 1300. But that 500 dollars purchased a jacket I could try on and that would need no adjustments after I bought it. I am not a corporate mogul, but time and my energy are my two most precious commodities because they are the only limits on how much money I make. I paid 2600 dollars for my Centofanti suit, and I pay only 1500 dollars for a d'Avenza RTW. I never thought I would be spending money like this, but here I am. Were I to be making, say, four times as much as I am now, I can see spending a lot more for my shirts if I were happy with what I got. Some of us have different priorities, and the idea of spending a weekend with Alex is not my idea of a good time (no disrespect to Alex, I just can't imagine devoting a weekend to fitting). I would pay more for shirts that were copied from my best fitting shirt in the materials I chose, simply because that is the way I like it. I can't see spending that money on Kabbaz shirts, but I can see spending money on things done my way. You just have to adjust your mindset. Remember, there are people who would look at my Alfred Sargent 250 dollar shoes and think I am wacko. By the way, can anyone compare Paris shirts (the Kabbaz choice for better quality between Geneva and Paris) and Cego shirts? They appear to be similarly priced. And Carl, you wrote that Lanvin makes the finest shirts in the world: is that still true, and why? How much do they cost?