Originally Posted by VKK3450
Dude, you are reading too much into the server's behaviour. How does a server standing near your table (which I would chalk up to serving culture) get translated into your yammering about unions, beggers and saying they should get a new job?
And your comment about, "Regardless if the custom is to pay extra in addition to the automatic gratuity, I would tell them to f-off every time." is Douche. I capitalized it because it is extra douche. If that were their custom (which it isn't), then so be it. Their customs weren't developed to suit your overanalyzing tastes. Would you not play along with other local customs or just this one? Would you play along in Europe or the US, but just not here?
When I'm in HK, small diner/cafes get nothing or coinage. Nicer places will frequently add in service, which is all they get. Mid level, maybe 10% if I liked the service.
Nah, I don't think I am reading too much because I was from Hong Kong myself and I feel I can read into these nuances. Just because that's the way it is, don't mean I have to agree with it. If the custom is 50% on top of the automatic gratuity, would you pay it "just because"? I am sure you won't be going to HK anytime soon... unless it's on the company's bill. (Ah... the morality on the give and take of putting charges on the company bill is another great topic. No doubt.)
My non-specific point (not just HK) with the yammering about unions is a server's job is too provide a basic good service and the expectation for good tipping is... an expectation. As for: "Their customs weren't developed to suit your overanalyzing tastes." Well, if you get down and dirty, what sector does their occupation belong to? The service sector. So you are trying to tell me that, an "overanalyzing" person (which I am not) have to change my behavior and "underanalyze" while paying for a service.
As for a douche.. A douche is someone who spit in your food when you don't pay tips. Not saying they will do that, but Hong Kong dudes are just as well-mannered as the next one. Also, "tell them to f-off" is a figure of speech as I probably will just ignore them. Ummm...Not only will I tell them to f-off as I will pull out a pile of 1000 dollar bills and throw them into the server's face. Yeah really? As for UK and USA factor, USA B&M restaurants don't usually have add-in fee unless beyond mid level or large party and as I am fine with paying tips myself even at chinese fast food places/ noodle shops. As far as I know, I don't think they stand around your table for tips since at least they act like their focus is not on collecting the tip. I have no personal comment on UK as I have limited experience there.
I agree with your last paragraph. Like you said, mid level - 10% if you liked the service. But, liking a service is very subjective. very.
I have nothing more to add. You can say I am uptight or whatever.