Originally Posted by graduate
Figure that this is the best place for this...My first pair of higher end denim is going great! APC NS sized down 2. They stretched ideally, and after about 2 months of wear, they are starting to wear in nicely. Now I am ready for my next pair. There are 3 pairs I am juggling, I hope yall can help!! 1) Eternal - 811. Now from what I gather, these are 1 wash. Would it be recommended to size up/down at all? 2) Samurai S5000VX. From what i can gather, these are stf unsanforized? How would sizing up/down be? I know that with Levis 501STF, its said to size up 2, does this apply to Samurai's as well? 3) PBJ xx-005. I have been able to gather up enough info on these. Now, I like my jeans slim, but not tight tight. As i said, my NS that I sized down 2 fit like a dream, and to help even further, I am 6'1'' 215lbs. One last thing, I plan on ordering from BiG within the next week. One question I have about that is: Why do they remove the tabs that are sewn into back pockets? Do they also remove the patch located on the back as well? Thanks in advance!!
Congrats on getting the sizing right on the APCs the first time, not many people do.
Regarding your questions: 1) IIRC, the general recommendation for 811s is actually to size up one. Someone please correct me if I'm getting them confused with another pair of jeans. 2) The reason people tell you to size up in Levi's STF is that the Levi's are tagged at their measurements BEFORE soaking/washing. Samurais measure larger than their tagged size, then shrink down to that size (or something close to it) after a wash. The S5000s are unsanforized, and they are shrink to fit. I believe the standard advice is to size down one, but again, this is just working from memory, so don't necessarily take my word for it. 3) I love my PBJs to death, but I actually can't wear them anymore because the legs are too slim in my normal size. If you have legs that are fairly muscular (or, hell, fat) for your waist size
, I'd consider going up a size in the PBJs. As for the tabs: the removal of the back pocket tabs resulted from a Levis lawsuit claiming that those tabs were a Levis trademark. The leather patch will be intact and quite nice.