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Yep, looking for some very black jeans

Any recommendations on e-tailers for the KZO/Kill City jeans?
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Originally Posted by whodini View Post
I think you might be a bit unclear about what "raw denim" is. Look at what I wrote in the same post I used to answer your question.

The answer, however, is yes.

Ah, I see now. Thanks man
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Originally Posted by sh0ebox View Post
Yep, looking for some very black jeans

Any recommendations on e-tailers for the KZO/Kill City jeans?
You can google Kill City and KZO... Revolve, the Kill City online store...
post #4579 of 21471
Just out of curiosity, anyone have thoughts about my post about the skinny tapered jeans? Thanks.
post #4580 of 21471
Does anyone have any comments to make about Joe's jeans? I got a good fitting pair with a great color wash for cheap. Are they crapola or worth there 100 bucks?
post #4581 of 21471
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Originally Posted by aqhong View Post
^ Dry and raw mean the same thing.

Hmm..

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Originally Posted by whodini View Post
Yes and no. They mean the same thing but sometimes aren't used to describe the same thing. For example, Blue in Green calls their STF jeans "Raw" and their post-soaked jeans "one-wash." Sanforized jeans can also be dry and raw. Some use "raw" as a more general description of non-distressed jeans while others use it in the previously-given scenario. There's no standard vocabulary. Some people believe that you can't call a pair "dry" once they've been rinsed once. It's complicated.

To ibleedwhite, if you buy STF jeans, guess what, you're going to have to put them in the water before you can wear them. They then become they same as a pair of one-wash jeans. Sanforized jeans don't undergo this process since they're treated mechanically but some companies like RRL still ofter them in a "raw" and "one-wash" or "rinse."

The bottom line is that these jeans retain their indigo enough that a simple soak really won't affect them much at all. They're all going to fade so I personally don't recommend one treatment over another.


So there is a difference in quality then between Raw vs Dry. Let's use a brand like Nudies for example?
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I have a jean that I bought maybe a year and a half ago. Nom de Guerre, raw. They've been washed twice, and I wore them a lot, though no bike riding or anything like that. Just walking, stairs and such. They fit pretty relaxed; I didn't size down or anything.

Anyway, I've noticed that the fading around the taint area is very pronounced, much more so than the rest of the jean, knees, hip, etc. That area has a couple bright white lines, whereas at the knees and other hotspots there are more subdued medium blue fades.

My question: am I heading for a crotch rip, and do I need to cut back on wear? I'll post a couple pics if it'll help. Until a couple days ago it was my only pair of jeans.
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I have a jean that I bought maybe a year and a half ago. Nom de Guerre, raw. They've been washed twice, and I wore them a lot, though no bike riding or anything like that. Just walking, stairs and such. They fit pretty relaxed; I didn't size down or anything.

Anyway, I've noticed that the fading around the taint area is very pronounced, much more so than the rest of the jean, knees, hip, etc. That area has a couple bright white lines, whereas at the knees and other hotspots there are more subdued medium blue fades.

My question: am I heading for a crotch rip, and do I need to cut back on wear? I'll post a couple pics if it'll help. Until a couple days ago it was my only pair of jeans.

Maybe, maybe not.

It's seems that spot is getting more wear, but at the end of the day, there is no correlation between indigo loss and denim strength.

Does the area seem thinner to the touch than other parts of your jeans?
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Maybe, maybe not.

It's seems that spot is getting more wear, but at the end of the day, there is no correlation between indigo loss and denim strength.

Does the area seem thinner to the touch than other parts of your jeans?

I'll double check when I get home, but no, it doesn't feel thinner. Interesting that indigo loss and denim strength (loss) do not correlate, cause I thought they were caused by the same thing. I can see what you're saying, though, if you mean some jeans lose indigo far faster than strength or vice versa.
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So there is a difference in quality then between Raw vs Dry. Let's use a brand like Nudies for example?
How can there be a difference in quality if they're words that the company itself comes up with to describe their own jeans? As I said before, there's no set standard of descriptions that companies have to abide by other than to say if the jeans are "one-wash." "Dry" jeans can mean they are either sanforized or shrink-to-fit, "raw" jeans can mean just about anything.

Those words have zero to do with describing quality. It's like saying one car has a manual transmission and another an automatic.
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It's seems that spot is getting more wear, but at the end of the day, there is no correlation between indigo loss and denim strength.
Eh... seriously? People who get a lot of knee fades, like BlackCherry, might want a word with you about that. His knees blow out right around the time the spots look nearly white. My back pocket did the same right before my wallet broke through it.
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Originally Posted by whacked View Post
Yup. Workaday is an line designed by Daiki Suzuki, exclusively available at Odin NYC. Same build quality and fit as regular EG, but there's usually an extra detail here and there.

Brief mention of the line here: http://men.style.com/news/blog/2008/08/fit-club.html

You can also do a search in the Engineered Garments FW 08 and SS 09 threads on here for more details.

Will they shrink much (sanforized y/n?)? The inseam is about as short as I'm willing to tolerate.
post #4587 of 21471
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Eh... seriously? People who get a lot of knee fades, like BlackCherry, might want a word with you about that. His knees blow out right around the time the spots look nearly white. My back pocket did the same right before my wallet broke through it.
There is a good chance that they will deteriorate at the same speed, don't get me wrong. My point is though you could have something like 22oz Zimbabwe cotton jeans dyed by Cheap Monday standards. Obviously the indigo will fade fast, but that doesn't mean the cotton denim will deteriorate as quickly. Generally it does happen like you describe, but my point is you can't really say for sure that it will. I hope that made sense.
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There is a good chance that they will deteriorate at the same speed, don't get me wrong. My point is though you could have something like 22oz Zimbabwe cotton jeans dyed by Cheap Monday standards. Obviously the indigo will fade fast, but that doesn't mean the cotton denim will deteriorate as quickly. Generally it does happen like you describe, but my point is you can't really say for sure that it will. I hope that made sense.
It made sense but when you said there was "no correlation" it sounded definitive when it clearly wasn't. Even your example of the 22oz jeans reached for the extremes when a healthy majority of people, let alone newbies reading this thread for advice, wouldn't be in that kind of situation with that kind of experience. Not all birds fly but most do.
post #4589 of 21471
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Originally Posted by whodini View Post
It made sense but when you said there was "no correlation" it sounded definitive when it clearly wasn't. Even your example of the 22oz jeans reached for the extremes when a healthy majority of people, let alone newbies reading this thread for advice, wouldn't be in that kind of situation with that kind of experience. Not all birds fly but most do.
Yeah, you're right. What I should have said is "A hole is most likely forming, but without seeing at least a photo, it is nearly impossible to tell." Edit: Forgot to mention, my APC's are white as hell in the crotch. No hole is forming.
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