yea i am able to button it all the way up comfortably. do you think i should have sized down one?
Yes and no.
Yes, because dry jeans should fit reasonably tight from the get-go. If they're immediately comfortable, they're too loose.
No, because Crate fits fairly true to size so you either didn't measure your "usual" waist correctly or it's simply not a cut meant for your body type. A fat guy in skinny jeans can look just as bad as skinny kid in baggy jeans. I'm not saying they should fit skin-tight on you but there should be slightly more definition through the top block and legs.
Do your other jeans measure at the waist the same as those Routes?
DBoon I have to disagree with you. The relative "value" is just as good as many of the other brands that are worshipped on this forum.
This is true. DBoon really has no idea what he is talking about. A lot of people think that because RRL is readily available for cheap prices that it is not worth the price at full retail. The jeans especially are worth the price at full retail in comparison to other brands like APC. They are very well made in the USA and they pack in a lot of details that you don't find on a lot other brands.
Some of the items are hit and miss, though. Some of the prices are astronomical and some of them never sell at retail because of it. $1200+ leather jackets come to mind. If they were priced around $700 they'd sell out but IMO they price them too high. Also, some of the black tie collection stuff is a little out of reach. Lately they have had some sport coats that are deadstock 1970's Polo that were a little pricey to me, considering things like how it will fit and fabric choices.
A fat guy in skinny jeans can look just as bad as skinny kid in baggy jeans.
Well, I fall in a third category. I'm an old, skinny, out of shape guy with a big waist and gut (41 true waist and 39 hips). I always get 36" jeans and 511s look best on me. The problem is, with that large a waist size, all the other measurements are too large. 501 STFs are too baggy for me everywhere. Got a pair of routes yesterday and, while the seat and thighs fit ok (still a bit loose), everything below that is too baggy. I just gave up and washed them in hot water and they're in a hot dryer. I'll remeasure after that and see how much they've shrunk.
Given my measurements, can anyone recommend a dry jean, preferably selvage, that will fit my body better (close to a 511)?
^^^ It sounds like you need jeans that have more of a carrot fit: large waist, skinny legs. While not selvage, have you looked into the Nudie Big Bengt? http://www.shopfarinellis.com/pa-196...dry-heavy.aspx The waist on a 36 is around 37" or so while the hem opens at 8.5".