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post #3556 of 21424
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Originally Posted by whodini View Post
Such as...? Do you mean as in a pair of 7's, for example, being offered in a "dark wash?" That's debatable. It could still be considered "raw" simply because it hasn't been manhandled or altered with wear. Personally, that's the definition I use because it's rather non-discriminatory; otherwise, the definition would be a little flimsy. You could use "raw" in the usage of jeans that are unwashed and unsanforized and unwashed and sanforized, but what about jeans that are unsanforized and washed (like a pair of post-soak 501 STFs?) What would separate them from the dark wash 7's?

Perhaps people would be inclined to believe that "raw" simply means that the jeans have never been altered by chemicals; I won't name names but I know quite a few SF brands that label themselves as "raw denim" when really they're one-wash jeans that HAVE been treated chemically with a wool-lite dark.

So... back to square one and my original definition of jeans that are dark without signs of distress.

Possibly, but I tend to categorize them more or less like this....raw (sanforized or unsanforized), "washed" (could be dark wash, stonewash etc.) and distressed. At least for me there is a much bigger difference between raw and distressed than there is between raw and "washed".

To me, the difference between washed and distressed is the extent to which something has been done to the jeans prior to wearing.
post #3557 of 21424
Well I'm new to the forum and new to good denim. I'm not into the pricey stuff yet. I live in the caribbean and the levi's dealer here doesn't stock a lot of the fits. I've been shopping online and i'm interested in the levi's 539 jean. I just realized it's button fly. Seeing that i've never worn button fly before should i expect it to fit the same as a comparable jean of the same size or will it be a bit more snug in the crotch.

Sorry had to ask. I have 527s in size 31. should i order a 31 in the 539s or should i go up to a size 32?


Any advice will be appreciated.
post #3558 of 21424
Yo. Has anyone here owned denim with a wide waist size in relation to the thigh size (in other words, fairly low-rise denim) and not sized down? I'm considering a pair of Mr. Olive raw jeans, but the size 32 is actually 34" in the waist, which will most certainly become too loose over time. If I stuck with my normal jean size and ordered a 32, I would have to count on the rest of the measurements (thighs, etc) to keep the jeans up. Aaaand, the only lower size is a 30, whose thigh measurements would give me an undesirable painted on look. Should I go with the 32?
post #3559 of 21424
^ Remember that hip is wider than waist on most people, so lower rise jeans measure larger than tagged at waistband simply because they sit on the hip instead of the waist.


Crate Journal, for example, is a strange case as they're low-rise jeans with waistband measured at tagged size. So one would have to size up for these, either 1 or 2 size; whodini went up 2.


Moral of the story is that, unless they have propensity for mad stretching like APC, a pair of size 32 Mr. Olive would fit you even though they measure 34" at waistband.
post #3560 of 21424
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Originally Posted by Bam!ChairDance View Post
Yo. Has anyone here owned denim with a wide waist size in relation to the thigh size (in other words, fairly low-rise denim) and not sized down?

I'm considering a pair of Mr. Olive raw jeans, but the size 32 is actually 34" in the waist, which will most certainly become too loose over time. If I stuck with my normal jean size and ordered a 32, I would have to count on the rest of the measurements (thighs, etc) to keep the jeans up. Aaaand, the only lower size is a 30, whose thigh measurements would give me an undesirable painted on look. Should I go with the 32?

Keep in mind that jeans with a waist that is loose will stretch a good bit less than those that are tight. I don't know how loose they are on you, so I can't really comment on the size you should get or if they will work out or not.
post #3561 of 21424
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Originally Posted by Crakaveli View Post
does all rll denim have odd sizing or just the first generation stuff (crazy western stiching on back pockets) ?

do these fit more true to size?

I'm wearing some 28x34 RRLs that fit more like a 30x34, it's all fucked up.
post #3562 of 21424
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Originally Posted by Crakaveli View Post
does all rll denim have odd sizing or just the first generation stuff (crazy western stiching on back pockets) ?

do these fit more true to size?
Not all RRL jeans have odd sizing. The major issues were with the second generations that flooded the ebay market about two years ago, ie, size 27 measuring out to 32". In the case of the jeans you posted it's somewhat hard to tell if they'll be TTS ALTHOUGH I have seen quite a few of that gen and model being as much as 2"+ bigger than tagged as Listi mentioned. Why can't you just ask the seller for measurements?
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Originally Posted by Fortysomething View Post
Possibly, but I tend to categorize them more or less like this....raw (sanforized or unsanforized), "washed" (could be dark wash, stonewash etc.) and distressed. At least for me there is a much bigger difference between raw and distressed than there is between raw and "washed".

To me, the difference between washed and distressed is the extent to which something has been done to the jeans prior to wearing.
You originally asked if non-distressed jeans were not necessarily raw; have no idea where you're going with distressed vs. washed as it's night and day. My point was that one-wash jeans are still raw and that "one wash" and "dark wash" can be synonymous as times, especially with a few brands on this forum.
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Originally Posted by whacked View Post
^ Remember that hip is wider than waist on most people, so lower rise jeans measure larger than tagged at waistband simply because they sit on the hip instead of the waist.

Crate Journal, for example, is a strange case as they're low-rise jeans with waistband measured at tagged size. So one would have to size up for these, either 1 or 2 size; whodini went up 2.
I'm touched, whacked, that you remember my my story.

But yes, the Journals are tagged TTS yet have a very low rise (a shade under 9" on a 34 model.) While I'm typically a 32 there was little to no way that I could have worn those jeans long enough for them to stretch out to 34" so that they could sit on my waist and I could actually button them up. In retrospect, the jeans did end up stretching out 1"-2" so I should have stuck to only sizing one up but I simply didn't want to deal with days of a button or two being undone.

I'll tell you, sizing down on lower-rise jeans is a fuckload harder than say something around the 10" mark. You simply can't not get away with it or even try to hide it.
post #3563 of 21424
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Originally Posted by wmmk View Post
Ah, thanks. I guess I'll just trek up to Madison and have the guys at Context help me out. Have you seen any post-wash photos that show the darts? I didn't realize that they were so prominently placed...

Yeah, I didn't either until I saw the washed pics. I can't remember exactly where I saw them - it was either here or sufu, in an evo thread or a Somet thread.
post #3564 of 21424
Yeah, I definitely see what you all are saying, and thanks for the advice, but I'll complicate it even more---- the rise on a size 32 is 10". A 34" waist basically means it will be sitting on my hips as you all guessed, but with the 10" rise, maybe I'll expect a bit of a drop crotch effect? I dunno. These jeans are pretty odd.
post #3565 of 21424
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Originally Posted by Bam!ChairDance View Post
Yeah, I definitely see what you all are saying, and thanks for the advice, but I'll complicate it even more---- the rise on a size 32 is 10". A 34" waist basically means it will be sitting on my hips as you all guessed, but with the 10" rise, maybe I'll expect a bit of a drop crotch effect? I dunno. These jeans are pretty odd.
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* Size 30 (32" waist, 34" inseam, 9" rise, 7-3/4" knee, 7-1/2" leg opening) * Size 32 (34" waist, 34" inseam, 10-1/4" rise, 8-1/4" knee, 8" leg opening)
I think you're just in between sizes. Again, simply based on my own measurements, if I went for the 32 it would fit pretty low on my hips and be somewhat anti-fit; at 30, they'd fit relatively like my Crate Sallys (9.5" rise, 32" waist on a tagged 32). I don't know. The denim on the Sallys is rather light and stretches out fairly easily but who knows what Mr.Olive denim is like (maybe PM Jay.) Here's a photo for reference a day or two after I picked up the Sallys:
post #3566 of 21424
I'm looking for a slight boot cut or straight cut raw or one wash jean with a roomy thigh. I am 6' tall 170lbs and measure: waist 33", upper thigh 24", mid thigh 22".

I have a pair of size 29 rescues that used to fit ok, but my thighs got a little bigger and they are uncomfortably tight only in the thigh and a bit loose in the waist and seat. They measure: waist 34", upper thigh 24". The inseem measure 34" now and is about perfect, I'm sure it started a bit longer though.

Heres what I'm looking at so far:
Studio D'Artisan Jeans - D-1002 Slim Boot Cut LHT
Sugar Canes 1947 (one wash or shrink to fit)
Nudie Regular Ralph
5ep Low Down Boot
Ande Whall Cougar Boot Cut

Any recommendations on which of these would be the better fit and which size to get in them, also how much each of these stretches or shrinks. I've been looking around at size charts and I can't get a very good idea which size to get since I have no idea how the size will change.
post #3567 of 21424
If thigh room is an issue, remember the 5EPs, SDAs and Ralfs all have a lowish rise, which obviously affects how much room you have in the top block.

Also, Ande Whall does a bootcut now. Cheaper ($200), and imo better, than any of the ones you mentioned.
post #3568 of 21424
^ Saying Ande jeans are better than 5EP and SDA is a lofty, lofty claim.


And no, neither the LDB or Ralfs have low-ish rise. Both are medium-rise, at best.
post #3569 of 21424
Hey All,

I was curious if anyone out there could tell me how the Uniqlo S-001 fits in comparison to the S-002? I have the S-002 (actually wearing them right now) - best everyday wear jeans I've had in a long time, I picked up this pair while visiting Hong Kong last year.

Lately I've been seeing quite a few S-001 being sold on ebay for reasonable prices, before pulling a trigger on one or more pairs (same seller), I just wanted to see if anyone had both types and can comment on the difference in fit between the two.

Thanks in Advance!,

Bob
post #3570 of 21424
^ The S-001 is slimmer all around.

If you're in any way familiar with Nudies, the S-002 fits identical to Straight Sven/Average Joe, while the S-001 is more like Slim Jim.
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