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post #20011 of 20661
Yeah if you can tuck you shirt in easily like that it's at least a size too big
post #20012 of 20661
In terms of quality, how does Naked and Famous hold up to other brands?
post #20013 of 20661

I only own 7 pair of jeans, all of which I'm tired of wearing, and I know they're poor quality and probably not SF approved, especially the Vans:

1. Levi's black 511s

2. Levi dark blue denim 514s

3. Dark Blue Slim fit Vans Jeans

4. Gray Standard fit Vans Jeans

5. A pair of True Religion

6. Another Pair of True Religion I have in the FS section

7. Boot cut Rock Republics (with a horrible fit)

 

 

What should I keep, what should I throw away, sell, give away?

 

I'm a pretty slim guy 5'8 130Lbs size 30W-32L (if not smaller), I'm looking for quality entry level jeans no more than $200 dollars. Apparently A.P.Cs should be the way I go, am I not correct?


Edited by Swagged - 2/11/14 at 7:32pm
post #20014 of 20661
^ probably people would tell you to look away from APC and choose N&F or 3Sixteen instead but in the end it's a matter of fit. how do you like your rise, inseam, leg opening, etc. for me n&f's rise crushes my balls, 3sixteen's leg opening is a bit too wide, etc. apc fits best.
post #20015 of 20661
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Originally Posted by Swagged View Post

I only own 7 pairs off jeans, all of which I'm tired of wearing, and I know they're poor quality and probably not SF approved, especially the Vans:
1. Levi's black 511s
2. Levi dark blue denim 514s
3. Dark Blue Slim fit Vans Jeans
4. Gray Standard fit Vans Jeans
5. A pair of True Religion
6. Another Pair of True Religion I have in the FS section
7. Boot cut Rock Republics (with a horrible fit)


What should I keep, what should I throw away, sell, give away?

I'm a pretty slim guy 5'8 130Lbs size 30W-32L (if not smaller), I'm looking for quality entry level jeans no more than $200 dollars. Apparently A.P.Cs should be the way I go, am I not correct?


yeah lots of people recommend apc as a beginner's brand

what's great is that they're carried p much everywhere so they're easy to buy and the quality is good for the price



I'm exactly 5 lbs lighter than you (same height) and I wear a 27 in the ps

you should try ordering a 28 ps off nordstrom and gauge where you should go from there (assuming it doesn't fit well to begin with)
post #20016 of 20661
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Originally Posted by masshi View Post

In terms of quality, how does Naked and Famous hold up to other brands?

 

I have only tried Naked in Famous as far as raw denim goes. But I am not enamored with the quality. I bought a pair of Skinny Guys two years ago, and although I like the fit, they never faded well, and now it looks like the crotch is getting worn out. I'll be replacing them soon with a better pair of jeans. Maybe one of the 20 oz. Japanese models. The N&F jeans are OK. But I would rather spend the extra money up front for an item I expect to wear many times over a period of years.

 

I also ordered a pair of the N&F selvedge chinos, and I'm sorry I did. The Left Field chinos are 50-100% more expensive, but much higher quality. If I would have bought the LFNYC chinos up front, I would have saved myself money. Just a matter of personal preference, but I've never regretted buying an item of clothing that I really liked regardless of what I paid.

post #20017 of 20661

@goldenbear  I feel you. Naked & Famous is pretty hit or miss. The fabric quality isn't bad but if you're looking for fades, only a handful of their selection fades well.

 

That's disappointing their chinos are low quality. I've enjoyed their duck canvas pants. 

post #20018 of 20661
Black 511s are a solid jean tho, keep those in your life
post #20019 of 20661
i'm not a complete denim newbie, but i still have some confusion about what's what. i currently own a pair of levi's 501 rigid STF (12.5oz, not LVC), a pair of Levi's 505 Made In USA raw selvage, and a pair of Uniqlo made in Japan raw selvage.

from what i can tell (and correct me if i'm wrong), the 501 STFs are shrink-to-fit and raw but are not selvage, the 505 USAs are selvage and raw but not shrink-to-fit, and the Uniqlo's are selvage and raw but not shrink-to-fit.

i really enjoy the custom fit that you get from shrink-to-fit jeans, such as the 501 STFs, but it seems as though after moderate wear the denim quality and weight is not quite as good as with the selvage 505s and Uniqlo's.

is all raw denim shrink-to-fit (i.e. unsanforized and intended to be upsized/soaked/shrank/worn like the 501 STFs) or no?

i'm guessing my holy grail is a pair of raw selvage denim that is shrink-to-fit.

thanks.
post #20020 of 20661

not all raw denim is unsanforized but all unsanforized denim is raw.

 

raw means that the fabric has not gone through any washing or distressing. shrink to fit means that the fabric is not sanforized and thats why it shrinks when you wash. raw denim can be sanforized so that there is minimal shrinking.  

 

you can also have unsanforized denim that is one washed by the company so that shrinking is minimal. this is common with many japanese companies. 

 

selvedge has nothing to do with whether denim is raw or not. selvedge refers to how the fabric is made. 

 

if your holy grail is to have a raw unsanforized selvedge denim, you have a ton of options. Look at brands like The Flat Head, Samurai, Strike Gold, Momotaro, RJB, Pure Blue Japan, etc and they'll all have what you're looking for. hope that helps. 

post #20021 of 20661
thanks thesoonest,

that's helpful. so i guess what i'm really looking for is specifically unsanforized denim as opposed to simply raw denim. though it is confusing that "one washed" denim can still be considered unsanforized, especially if you desire a fair amount of shrinkage. you mentioned that many of the japanese brands will one wash their raw unsanforized denim. is this something that is just a given with all of a certain brand's denim or is it something you would have to determine on a line by line basis?

those brands are all great, no doubt, but do you know of any alternatives in the $100-$150 range?

much thanks.
post #20022 of 20661
even $220 is feasible, but i simply cannot drop $350 on jeans.
post #20023 of 20661
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Originally Posted by krylon80 View Post

thanks thesoonest,

that's helpful. so i guess what i'm really looking for is specifically unsanforized denim as opposed to simply raw denim. though it is confusing that "one washed" denim can still be considered unsanforized, especially if you desire a fair amount of shrinkage. you mentioned that many of the japanese brands will one wash their raw unsanforized denim. is this something that is just a given with all of a certain brand's denim or is it something you would have to determine on a line by line basis?

those brands are all great, no doubt, but do you know of any alternatives in the $100-$150 range?

much thanks.

no problem. it's important to understand that sanforization is not the same thing as washing denim to get shrink out. sanforization is a whole process that involves the fabric going through a sanforization machine that will stretch, compress the denim and gets the shrink out. it helps make the fabric easier to work with and more predictable but it does change the characteristics of the denim from its loomstate form. so what some companies will do is take the unsanforized denim and instead of sanforizing them, they'll one wash them and the idea is that it allows the denim to keep the natural state. usually companies will say whether or not it is one washed. 

 

as for your $100-150price range, you're pretty much out of luck besides for just finding jeans on sale or used. for $220 range, japan blues has a 16oz unsanforized denim for $220 on BlueOwl, studio d'artisan has a few for $265 on tateandyoko and blueingreen. 

post #20024 of 20661
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for $220 range, japan blues has a 16oz unsanforized denim for $220 on BlueOwl, studio d'artisan has a few for $265 on tateandyoko and blueingreen. 

i'll definitely check those out, and thanks for the additional info about sanforization vs. one washing.
post #20025 of 20661
i think i'm gonna try a pair of the okayama spirit's from naked & famous. $180 for 16oz japanese unsanforized selvage denim. thoughts anyone?
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