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post #16711 of 21424
It makes no sense to pay the retail markup if the goods can be had for less. If I bought straight from the Samurai in Japan, I'd pay full price. If it's at a retailer, then no. Look at N&F for example, normally Barney's has them for a crazy discount (collabs included, down to $109 this summer). Now I wouldn't buy the new ONIs for $275 if I don't need them right away since they could be had easily for $109-169 in a few months. Brandon probably got mad, since now N&F are not discounted at all and if I needed a pair of jeans, I'd probably buy at retail then.
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Originally Posted by stevent View Post

It makes no sense to pay the retail markup if the goods can be had for less. If I bought straight from the Samurai in Japan, I'd pay full price. If it's at a retailer, then no. Look at N&F for example, normally Barney's has them for a crazy discount (collabs included, down to $109 this summer). Now I wouldn't buy the new ONIs for $275 if I don't need them right away since they could be had easily for $109-169 in a few months. Brandon probably got mad, since now N&F are not discounted at all and if I needed a pair of jeans, I'd probably buy at retail then.

its not about buying at a discount.

my point is using the resources of a retailer to figure out his size and then buying them elsewhere. that is bull-shit.
post #16713 of 21424
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Originally Posted by whatever123 View Post

its not about buying at a discount.
my point is using the resources of a retailer to figure out his size and then buying them elsewhere. that is bull-shit.

oh yeah man i bet it's really taxing for retailers to let people try shit on.



jesus wept.
post #16714 of 21424
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its not about buying at a discount.
my point is using the resources of a retailer to figure out his size and then buying them elsewhere. that is bull-shit.

Let me say that I'm the first person to stand up and proclaim "DON'T PAY RETAIL" for anything, especially clothing.

But at the same time, having bought from places like BiG and Blue Owl, their level of customer service and personal attention well compensates for minor differences in price. I personally wouldn't risk Ebay for denim (I even use the B/S here sparingly) and beyond that, there's not many places to pick up the majority of Japanese imports in the USA without paying retail. SelfEdge and BiG pretty much have a monopoly on importing a lot of those brands, so it's their price new, or used pieces. Unless you read Japanese and want to buy through Rakuten.

Those stores invest a lot of time and resources in being authorities on the product they import, especially given the few access points such brands get in the US. They're really knowledgeable about getting the exact product desired in the customer's hands. Obviously, it's not against any rule to consult them, and then purchase elsewhere - entirely up to the buyer. I personally wouldn't, but to each his own.

Everyone calm down about Macro/micro, IQs, and who's an idiot and who's not. Everyone wants a deal. Sometimes you can't get one. Buying from a questionable source increases risk. I would rather pay 275 for new Onis, knowing their history and having a guarantee behind them from a retailer, than purchase them for 100 bucks less second or third hand, possibly being fake, etc. That's an opportunity cost everyone has to figure out.

And thanks, Whatever. I am a denim snob.fing02[1].gif
post #16715 of 21424
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Originally Posted by Derek92 View Post

I can't decide which is better out of a few pairs of sweet denim. Can anyone recommend me which to buy?
Momotaro 0201
3Sixteen+ IIBSP
Samurai S5000
KMW Left Hand Twill 1980 Slim Straight
I'm just looking for an everyday pair of denim. These all seem awesome to me but I'm not highly knowledgeable (or at all knowledgeable) about denim so if someone could tell me which is best I'd really appreciate it.

When it comes to fading, I can recommend you all of those brands. If you wanna get strong and heavy fadings, just wait a long time before first wash and all of them will turn out great.

About cut and style I'm not such an expert. And I'm wearing all my raw denim stuff in a real old styled manner one size too big.
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Originally Posted by whatever123 View Post


its not about buying at a discount.
my point is using the resources of a retailer to figure out his size and then buying them elsewhere. that is bull-shit.


Can you please stop flaming every new member who posts in this thread?  It is unkind, and discourages members to use this thread.  I understand that you are knowledgable, and have strong opinions.  Perhaps some of these opinions are right, however is asserting that knowledge really worth putting someone else down?

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When it comes to fading, I can recommend you all of those brands. If you wanna get strong and heavy fadings, just wait a long time before first wash and all of them will turn out great.
About cut and style I'm not such an expert. And I'm wearing all my raw denim stuff in a real old styled manner one size too big.

I have to disagree on KMW. The natural indigo of KMW makes it notoriously hard to fade. Natural indigo dyed denim should never be recommended to newbies
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I have to disagree on KMW. The natural indigo of KMW makes it notoriously hard to fade. Natural indigo dyed denim should never be recommended to newbies

why?
post #16719 of 21424
sorry for the newb question but does the LVC 501 1954 jeans have variation in fits?
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I now have the pair of momos to compare the dry bones to.  All I can say is that they are very different jeans:  

 

denim:

 

The dry bones are insanely soft and comfortable.  They don't feel like 14.5oz denim at all.  The denim has a very pleasing texture.  It is more loosely woven than what I am used to.  There are irregularities here and there.  It is hard to imagine that it came from a machine.

 

The momo denim (this is their 15.7oz one-wash denim) is much heavier and stiffer.  It is also more rough, and feels very strong.  It does not seem to stretch much at all.  While it is less comfortable, it is pleasing to wear.  It feels like a substantial fabric that will withstand the test of time.

 

construction:

 

I have not examined both jeans closely in this regard, however the construction seems very similar.  Both are chainstitched, with no double stitching.  The hardware is almost identical as well.  The pockets and patch are a bit different.  The dry bones pockets are very tough canvas, while the momo pockets are softer.  I prefer the patch on the momos.  I also prefer the pink stitching found on the momos, however, that is just a preference.  I feel that it makes a nice touch.  

 

fit:

 

momo 0705sp vs dry bones Red-D

 

the rise on the momos is very slightly longer, which my crotch appreciates.  The waist is also smaller on the size 33 momos than on the size 31 dry bones.  The thigh is a bit tighter on the momos.  It is only a bit larger than on a size 30 A.P.C. New Cure that I tried on.  From the knee down however, there is very little taper, if at all.  This makes the jeans appear fairly baggy from the knee down.  I find the fit fun and interesting, however, I doubt many others would feel the same.  The dry bones are slimmer from the knee down, and overall look much more modern.  I believe most people on this forum would prefer their cut.

 

overall:

 

I prefer neither over the other!  I will probably end up wearing the momos through the colder months, and the dry bones in the warmer.  I would also choose the dry bones if I were really trying to look sharp. 

 

Also, a note to Derek92.  I'm a college student as well.  I got the dry bones for $120 and the momos for $100 from a user on the superfuture forums.  They had each been worn 2-5 times, and I can't even tell.  I would highly recommend going the same route.  Check the Buy/Sell forums here, and the Supermarket forums on superfuture.  Any of the brands you mentioned make great denim, my recommendation would be to focus more on the cut.  I measured my two best fitting pairs of jeans, and compared them to multiple measurements of the jeans I was looking at.  Both jeans fit me perfectly.

post #16721 of 21424
is there a chino/trouser/pant that looks similar to denim?
post #16722 of 21424
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Originally Posted by whatever123 View Post

why?

Because Natural indigo jeans are nasty bitch to fade and novices usually come to raw denim for strong fades (in a short amount of time) after realizing 99.9% predistressed jeans in the market are shitty and unrealistic
post #16723 of 21424
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Originally Posted by El Argentino View Post

No - APC NS are notorious for stretching out. Usually at least three inches from tagged size. Measure your waist with a tape measure, and buy what corresponds to that number based on measurements offered from the vendor. I would bet you've got a 37-38 inch waist.

Measured a 36.5...the 34 has a 36 inch waist, will they stretch enough to accommodate the .5" difference?
post #16724 of 21424
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Originally Posted by whatever123 View Post

somet's are vanity sized so you will want to look at the sizing chart on the blue in green and buy whichever size that measures 35 or 36 raw (i am assuming that is your true waist size) ... so you will likely be a 33 in the 003s.
for reference, i am 5'11" 180 - 185 lbs and i went with a 32 in the 005s but could have safely gone down to a 31. the other thing you want to consider is the upper-thigh measurements. if the upper-thigh on the 33 will fit you that would be the way to go. if it is going to be tight side i would go with the 34 and wash in hot water and dry on high heat to get a little more shrinkage. but they are sanforized so you really dont get much shrinkage anyway. in my experience somet denim does stretch out quite a bit so dont be afraid to size down as long as you will be okay in the upper-thigh.
you can also call blue in green and have them measure all of the 33/34s they have and ask them to send you the biggest 33 or smallest 34 they have. because these jeans are made by hand sometimes you can find some slight variations in sizing ... typically it is no more then 1/4" +/- if at all. but big is always super helpful getting your correct size sorted out.
sized correctly, somet's will be one of the best fitting jeans you will ever own. good luck and take pics.

thanks, dude. yeah, I'm psyched to get them...measured my waist at a 36.5, closest per BiG is the tagged 34 with a 36" waist. you think they'll stretch enough to accommodate my 36.5" self? looks like the thigh measurement on those (13.5") is also a bit bigger than the APC NS (12"), which I remember being pretty snug initially.
post #16725 of 21424
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Originally Posted by crosswound View Post

is there a chino/trouser/pant that looks similar to denim?

Rogue territory, Raleigh, Left Field all make a indigo dyed canvas trouser. Rogue territory might be sold out now, but Raleigh and Left Field should both have stock
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