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Originally Posted by gnu View Post

More of a curiosity question, when one shrinks unsanfornized denim does the weight increase? As in does 12 oz denim become 12.5?

Yes, the weight does increase. However, most of the time, the listed weight of the denim is the post-soak weight, not the pre-soak weight. There are many exceptions, though, it depends on the brand and specific model of the denim in question.

Here are some examples of how these listed weights can vary:

1. Samurai's 21 oz. denim is a post-soak weight, but their 24 oz. denim is a pre-soak weight. Therefore, the 21 oz. denim is 21 oz. after a soak, but the 24 oz. denim is about 27 oz. after a soak.

2. Studio D'Artisan's 23 oz. denim is a presoak weight, so it is actually 25-26 oz. after a soak.

3. On Iron Heart's Anniversary model, both the pre-soak and post-soak weight are listed. The denim is marketed as 21/23 oz.

Also, when unsanforized denim is soaked, it gains close to 10% in weight. So in your example, the denim that is 12 oz. pre-soak would likely be closer to 13 or 13.5 oz. post-soak than 12.5 oz.

I find these weight details interesting to know, but like whodini said, when all is said and done, none of it makes that much of a difference.
Edited by commodorewheeler - 11/2/11 at 9:32pm
post #16307 of 20764

i been wearing my 501's for about a month now, i havent noticed any indigo bleeding out but they are really baggy to me and makes me want to wash them to get them to shrink a bit. would this be smart or should i just wait it out?

post #16308 of 20764
@commodorewheeler: according to BiG, the 21oz Samurai models also get "heavier" with a soak. so 21 to 24oz it is
post #16309 of 20764
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Originally Posted by RicPac View Post

i been wearing my 501's for about a month now, i havent noticed any indigo bleeding out but they are really baggy to me and makes me want to wash them to get them to shrink a bit. would this be smart or should i just wait it out?


Levi's tend not to bleed. Washing is only a temporary solution if they're baggy.
post #16310 of 20764
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Originally Posted by beautiful_FrEaK View Post

@commodorewheeler: according to BiG, the 21oz Samurai models also get "heavier" with a soak. so 21 to 24oz it is

Interesting, that contradicts what it says on the flasher tag of my 21 oz. S5000VX. The flasher tag lists the weight of the denim as "21 oz. after laundering".
post #16311 of 20764
yes, on mine too. but you can check BiG's website. that's why I said "according to BiG" wink.gif
post #16312 of 20764
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Originally Posted by beautiful_FrEaK View Post

yes, on mine too. but you can check BiG's website. that's why I said "according to BiG" wink.gif

I actually emailed Gordon about this just now, and he got back to me pretty quickly. Here's his response:

"As far as know the weight on all Samurai denims is based on the pre-wash weight and will increase 2-3oz’s depending on the weight. For example 15oz will increase to 17oz after washing, 19oz→21oz, 21oz→24oz, 24oz→27oz, etc.

When I pointed out to them last year, the same thing you’re asking me now, about the flasher for the 21oz saying “21oz after laundering” they hadn’t realized it said that and told me the flashers were incorrect and that going forward they would be corrected, from what I can tell though they’re still using the old flashers for new productions until they run out of old flashers. I’ve attached 2 examples of 24oz jeans that show different post wash results, one is “24oz after laundering” and the other “27oz after laundering”. I believe the “27oz after laundering” to be the correct one."

24oz flasher 1.JPG 238k .JPG file

24 oz flasher 2.JPG 234k .JPG file
post #16313 of 20764
I have finally figured out the the KMW 1980 is the perfect fit for me. Sadly they are getting harder and harder to find. I'm curious - what other brands/cuts fit similar?
post #16314 of 20764
All,

What are the key differences (apart from price) between SugarCane 1947, Studio d'Artisan SD-101, and Samurai regular straight fit (as here on BiG)?

What should I expect in terms of durability, etc?

Many thanks,

JD
post #16315 of 20764
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Originally Posted by JDelage View Post

All,
What are the key differences (apart from price) between SugarCane 1947, Studio d'Artisan SD-101, and Samurai regular straight fit (as here on BiG)?
What should I expect in terms of durability, etc?
Many thanks,
JD

All 3 have similar fits. They are looser, straight leg cuts with a higher rise. All 3 should also have reasonably similar durability, since they all use all-cotton stitching of similar thicknesses, though anecdotally, I've gotten a little bit better durability out of Studio D'Artisan out of these 3 brands. All 3 will fade well, with the Samurai probably fading the fastest but the other 2 not far behind.

The weight of the denim is different between these 3 models. IIRC, the SC is 14 oz., the SDA is 15 oz., and the Samurai is the heaviest of the 3 at 19 oz.

The SDA will likely have the best construction quality of the 3, while the Samurai will have the best cosmetic details.
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Originally Posted by commodorewheeler View Post

All 3 have similar fits. They are looser, straight leg cuts with a higher rise. All 3 should also have reasonably similar durability, since they all use all-cotton stitching of similar thicknesses, though anecdotally, I've gotten a little bit better durability out of Studio D'Artisan out of these 3 brands. All 3 will fade well, with the Samurai probably fading the fastest but the other 2 not far behind.
The weight of the denim is different between these 3 models. IIRC, the SC is 14 oz., the SDA is 15 oz., and the Samurai is the heaviest of the 3 at 19 oz.
The SDA will likely have the best construction quality of the 3, while the Samurai will have the best cosmetic details.

Fascinating, given that SDA is the cheapest. Thank you.
post #16317 of 20764
I am looking for a nice pair of raw selvege indigo denim. My budget is around $300. Naked and Famous Skinny Guy fits me well. Suggestions?
post #16318 of 20764
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Originally Posted by htrieu View Post

I am looking for a nice pair of raw selvege indigo denim. My budget is around $300. Naked and Famous Skinny Guy fits me well. Suggestions?

If you're sticking to skinny/tapered, Somet but the rise might be a problem. You're casting a pretty wide net.
post #16319 of 20764
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Originally Posted by whodini View Post

If you're sticking to skinny/tapered, Somet but the rise might be a problem. You're casting a pretty wide net.

Hi whodini, thanks for the reply. What do you mean about the rise being a problem? Also how can I be more specific? Sorry I am new to denim.
Edited by htrieu - 11/3/11 at 8:37pm
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Originally Posted by htrieu View Post

Hi whodini, thanks for the reply. What do you mean about the rise being a problem? Also how can I be more specific? Sorry I am new to denim.

The rise on Somet will be lower than the Skinny Guys.

Here's a list of stuff at the $200 mark: http://www.styleforum.net/t/157881/non-apc-sub-200-raw-selvage-denim-options

If you're going up from there, look at Self Edge, Blue Owl, or Blue in Green. Not exactly fun but check measurements and do a bit of research to narrow down what looks good for you.
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