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Yes, the weight does increase. However, most of the time, the listed weight of the denim is the post-soak weight, not the pre-soak weight. There are many exceptions, though, it depends on the brand and specific model of the denim in question.

Here are some examples of how these listed weights can vary:

1. Samurai's 21 oz. denim is a post-soak weight, but their 24 oz. denim is a pre-soak weight. Therefore, the 21 oz. denim is 21 oz. after a soak, but the 24 oz. denim is about 27 oz. after a soak.

2. Studio D'Artisan's 23 oz. denim is a presoak weight, so it is actually 25-26 oz. after a soak.

3. On Iron Heart's Anniversary model, both the pre-soak and post-soak weight are listed. The denim is marketed as 21/23 oz.

Also, when unsanforized denim is soaked, it gains close to 10% in weight. So in your example, the denim that is 12 oz. pre-soak would likely be closer to 13 or 13.5 oz. post-soak than 12.5 oz.

I find these weight details interesting to know, but like whodini said, when all is said and done, none of it makes that much of a difference.
Edited by commodorewheeler - 11/2/11 at 9:32pm

i been wearing my 501's for about a month now, i havent noticed any indigo bleeding out but they are really baggy to me and makes me want to wash them to get them to shrink a bit. would this be smart or should i just wait it out?

@commodorewheeler: according to BiG, the 21oz Samurai models also get "heavier" with a soak. so 21 to 24oz it is

Interesting, that contradicts what it says on the flasher tag of my 21 oz. S5000VX. The flasher tag lists the weight of the denim as "21 oz. after laundering".

yes, on mine too. but you can check BiG's website. that's why I said "according to BiG"

I actually emailed Gordon about this just now, and he got back to me pretty quickly. Here's his response:

"As far as know the weight on all Samurai denims is based on the pre-wash weight and will increase 2-3oz’s depending on the weight. For example 15oz will increase to 17oz after washing, 19oz→21oz, 21oz→24oz, 24oz→27oz, etc.

When I pointed out to them last year, the same thing you’re asking me now, about the flasher for the 21oz saying “21oz after laundering” they hadn’t realized it said that and told me the flashers were incorrect and that going forward they would be corrected, from what I can tell though they’re still using the old flashers for new productions until they run out of old flashers. I’ve attached 2 examples of 24oz jeans that show different post wash results, one is “24oz after laundering” and the other “27oz after laundering”. I believe the “27oz after laundering” to be the correct one."

24oz flasher 1.JPG 238k .JPG file

24 oz flasher 2.JPG 234k .JPG file

I have finally figured out the the KMW 1980 is the perfect fit for me. Sadly they are getting harder and harder to find. I'm curious - what other brands/cuts fit similar?

All,

What are the key differences (apart from price) between SugarCane 1947, Studio d'Artisan SD-101, and Samurai regular straight fit (as here on BiG)?

What should I expect in terms of durability, etc?

Many thanks,

JD

All 3 have similar fits. They are looser, straight leg cuts with a higher rise. All 3 should also have reasonably similar durability, since they all use all-cotton stitching of similar thicknesses, though anecdotally, I've gotten a little bit better durability out of Studio D'Artisan out of these 3 brands. All 3 will fade well, with the Samurai probably fading the fastest but the other 2 not far behind.

The weight of the denim is different between these 3 models. IIRC, the SC is 14 oz., the SDA is 15 oz., and the Samurai is the heaviest of the 3 at 19 oz.

The SDA will likely have the best construction quality of the 3, while the Samurai will have the best cosmetic details.

Fascinating, given that SDA is the cheapest. Thank you.

I am looking for a nice pair of raw selvege indigo denim. My budget is around $300. Naked and Famous Skinny Guy fits me well. Suggestions?

Hi whodini, thanks for the reply. What do you mean about the rise being a problem? Also how can I be more specific? Sorry I am new to denim.
Edited by htrieu - 11/3/11 at 8:37pm