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Originally Posted by vinouspleasure View Post

has anyone created a jeans hierarchy like jcusey did for shoes?
http://www.askandyaboutclothes.com/Tutorials/JCuseyOnShoes.htm

I wouldn't call that link a hierarchy, that would imply that it actually ranks the different brands of shoes, which it doesn't. It's more just a list of notable shoe brands with brief descriptions, organized by country of origin.

I don't know of anything like that for jeans, but I can give you some brand recommendations. Since you mentioned that fit is more important to you than construction or fabric quality, I would recommend that you look at APC and Dior first, they have modern, attractive cuts that work very well on a lot of people. If you decide that you want top end construction and materials quality, check out Studio D'Artisan, Iron Heart, and Evisu's Made in Japan line. If you like attention to cosmetic details on your jeans, Samurai is probably the best at those.
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Geller is a fashion brand, RRL is arguably a denim brand. Fashion brands are going to focus on specific cuts and details, while denim brands fabric and cut.
Apples and oranges because the end product for both is completely different. I personally have little interest in fashionista jeans but can understand why people go that route when looking for specific cuts, I just wouldn't pay that premium.

Thanks Whodini, I will try Geller Jeans this time to see if their cut is worth the premium.
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I have some 501's im trying to break in and get my marks on them, now mosy people.say wear everyday for 6 months but I dont like to wear them on days of rain because of the heaby bleeding that might occur. Is it ok to wear them on rainy days and I wont lose most of my progress of.the marks?[/quote



From the Jeansmuseum I can tell you the following experiences: If they catch a lot of rain, they will loose the original raw denim indigo colour witch will turn into a normal blue volour. But your marks will develop the same way.as without catching rain.

So if you're a hardcore raw denim man you'll try to avoid catching rain otherwise don^t care
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Originally Posted by vinouspleasure View Post

has anyone created a jeans hierarchy like jcusey did for shoes?
http://www.askandyaboutclothes.com/Tutorials/JCuseyOnShoes.htm

Interesting question. Many peokple have asked the Jeansmuseum about this in the last time.

Actually there are no real rankings available because of very different personal preferences..

It depends on the preferred styles, fabric thickness in oz, price, indigo type, fading type preferences, durability,......

Just two possibillities among many othes: A good price/quality can be found by Edwin Nashville, Edwin Greenville, Edwin Waynville for wider cuts, or by the three APC styles (NS, PS, Rescues). They're usually available quite below $200.

But like told it's very difficult. But the Jeansmuseum will keep this in mind and perhaps we will try to create at least a sort of a list later, because we know about the importance of this question
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I wouldn't call that link a hierarchy, that would imply that it actually ranks the different brands of shoes, which it doesn't. It's more just a list of notable shoe brands with brief descriptions, organized by country of origin.
I don't know of anything like that for jeans, but I can give you some brand recommendations. Since you mentioned that fit is more important to you than construction or fabric quality, I would recommend that you look at APC and Dior first, they have modern, attractive cuts that work very well on a lot of people. If you decide that you want top end construction and materials quality, check out Studio D'Artisan, Iron Heart, and Evisu's Made in Japan line. If you like attention to cosmetic details on your jeans, Samurai is probably the best at those.

thanks, I wasn't that clear. I've learned that the finest suit in the world with the best fabric doesn't look good if it doesn't fit right. So I'd be interested in learning about best construction/fabric and then finding the best fit. Your post almost makes it sound like it's hard to find top quality construction and a modern cut?

I'm also interested in best quality for the money. I think we all understand that the relationship between quality and cost is not linear above a certain quality point. So which jeans represent good quality for the cost? After a lot of reading, I'm thinking Unbranded at the low end and APC at the high end? I'll read up on the Edwins SWF suggests above.
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Originally Posted by vinouspleasure View Post

thanks, I wasn't that clear. I've learned that the finest suit in the world with the best fabric doesn't look good if it doesn't fit right. So I'd be interested in learning about best construction/fabric and then finding the best fit. Your post almost makes it sound like it's hard to find top quality construction and a modern cut?
I'm also interested in best quality for the money. I think we all understand that the relationship between quality and cost is not linear above a certain quality point. So which jeans represent good quality for the cost? After a lot of reading, I'm thinking Unbranded at the low end and APC at the high end? I'll read up on the Edwins SWF suggests above.

Top quality construction and modern cuts usually aren't found together when it comes to denim. The companies that favor modern cuts usually opt for cheaper construction, and the companies that focus on top quality construction tend to base their fits on vintage cuts. But if you look at the list of brands that I gave you before, I'm sure you'll find something that suits you fit-wise. The three brands that I recommended for construction quality before do have a wide range of fits between them collectively.

At the low end of cost, I agree that Unbranded is a good buy for the money. I would consider APC more towards the middle range, rather than high end. I think they are a good buy for the fit, not so much for the construction. For high end, I think the best buys are the base models from Studio D'Artisan and Oni. These brands have construction quality that ranks with anyone out there, but they do it in a price range of $265-$285, whereas their peers are generally well over $300 a pair in price.
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Hi - I have a question with regards to sizing.

I've noticed that many of the nicer non-sanforized Japanese denim have sizing descriptions saying that they shrink about 3/4 - 1 1/2 inches in the waist after a soak, but then stretch about 1 inch after wear. Does this mean you size one up or go true to size?
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Hi - I have a question with regards to sizing.
I've noticed that many of the nicer non-sanforized Japanese denim have sizing descriptions saying that they shrink about 3/4 - 1 1/2 inches in the waist after a soak, but then stretch about 1 inch after wear. Does this mean you size one up or go true to size?

On that type of denim, I usually go true to size. Even some of those models run big, so if the measurements permit, you can size down.
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Thanks, I bought a pair of Flatheads a size greater than my regular size (I'm a 31 and bought a 32). After 2 hoat soaks, they shrunk but still feel about a 1/2" too big. Do you think it's worth still trying to shrink them or after 2 hot socks, is pretty much all the shrink taken out?
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I wouldn't expect much more shrinkage after one hot soak. And they'll stretch out again a little bit aftr wearing.


^^And Vinouspleasure: I have to second comodow. about the quality and fit style dilemma.
The real high end top quality brands mostly tends to more traditional regular fits, and the brands with modern fits are usually based on a less top high end denim. But perhaps there are exceptions
APC is a good option with different cuts.
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thanks folks, how about jeans shop on sale for $116 for a pair of rocker x. good deal or great deal?
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well, I decided to pull the trigger, free shipping and free return shipping, seems like no risk.
Edited by vinouspleasure - 10/16/11 at 2:28pm
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Originally Posted by dreamtripper View Post

Thanks, I bought a pair of Flatheads a size greater than my regular size (I'm a 31 and bought a 32). After 2 hoat soaks, they shrunk but still feel about a 1/2" too big. Do you think it's worth still trying to shrink them or after 2 hot socks, is pretty much all the shrink taken out?

If you feel like they are too big after 2 hot soaks, they are probably too big for you. You might be able to get a little bit more shrinkage with a third or fourth hot soak, but the jeans will stretch back out with wear.
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Originally Posted by vinouspleasure View Post

thanks folks, how about jeans shop on sale for $116 for a pair of rocker x. good deal or great deal?
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well, I decided to pull the trigger, free shipping and free return shipping, seems like no risk.

Pretty good deal, where did you kop them?
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