Originally Posted by bryce126
this actually does help. 36 is around the band of the jeans. So, (complete n00b here), you bought 31's and stretched them to fit your natural waist size, or are they vanity sized? Also, I'm used to stretch denim which feels amazing. How's stiff denim?
they are vanity sized, but they also stretch alot.
check out http://www.contextclothing.com/brand...d=A.P.C.+Denim
for measurements of the different cuts of APC jeans, context's charts are the most accurate i've seen. my petit standards measured exactly the same as their chart when i got them, though i think the thigh is marked slightly small on the chart for the new standards.
APC is made of notoriously stretchy denim, my size 28 new standards stretched a total of 4" before they wouldn't stretch anymore, but this was because i kept wearing them after i grew out of them. the usual amount is about 2" to 3" of stretch in the waist, and about .5" in the thigh, though i think some people in the APC thread said theirs have stretched more. not all raw denim brands are like this though, some stretch lots, some barely stretch at all.
APC denim isn't stretch denim (meaning it doesn't contain any elastic) and its pretty stiff and uncomfortable at first, but thats just how it is with raw denim. i had bruises on my hips for the first couple days of having new denim. after some time they stretch out and soften up and look great. if you read the APC thread, the general advice is to buy them so they're tight in the waist, or so you can't button the top button when you get them. when my PS were new, i could get the top button done but it was hard to do (now they're a bit loose in the waist) and the legs were tight all over, but they fit great now. just dont be afraid if they feel too tight everywhere at first, thats normal, haha.
honestly, the best denim sizing advice i can give is this; measure a pair of jeans that fits you well, compare these measurements to the chart on context, and factor in the stretch i mentioned above.
just for reference, heres a fairly recent picture of how my APC PS fit from the waywt thread http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/1338/img1852ju.jpg