Hmmm, well, peeling away the layers put into this Ric Flair style argument, it's a decent position, though I'd rather it backed by examples, etc. Silly me. As for me, if some clothing god came down and made me choose one manufacturer for each article of clothing on my body (excluding underwear and socks), and I didn't have an unlimited budget (ie, can't do bespoke everything), here's what I'd go with: Borrelli shirts. Simply put, the best I've ever worn. Apologies to T&A, which are nice, but a Borrelli shirt has much more elegant hand work and just feel like butter. Never would buy a $500 RTW Kiton or $450 RTW Brioni, so they don't make the top of the list. Shirt: Italian. Italy leads 1-nil. Suit: Remember, no $5000 Bespoke allowed. So, I am going to once again go with Borrelli. At $2900 RTW (don't know what the MTM costs), a real "bargain" when you consider many tailors/experts consider them as well if not better constructed than Kiton. Fabrics aren't Kiton-like, but are $2K USD cheaper. Soft shoulder, tapered arms, puckered sleeve head, ah.. Suit: Italian. Italy leads 2-nil. Ties: Nothing beats a Kiton tie. Nothing. $200 for a 7-fold at full retail is ridiculous. So we'll go with a luxurious 7-fold with the thicker fabric from our very own Carlo Franco. At ~$90 USD, it's a steal. You can buy many Carlos and you'd never know they weren't Kiton until you see the label. Gorgeous stuff. But, Carlo must make sure his fabrics never tail off. Thick, soft, buttery silk is what makes a super pattern tie, a la Kiton. Ties: Tie (ha.), Kiton and Carlo Franco. Italy and US. Italy leads 3-0 (to 1, US). Shoes: And here is where British shoes make up for the suit, tie, and shirt losses. Nothing, and I mean NOTHING, beats an English shoe. Yes, I know there are super high end Italian shoes, etc. But for those of us in the real world who have to consider mortgage payments, sending kids to school, etc. there really isn't a better quality shoe for its value than Edward Green (or, in my case, since $700 is still too much for me for a pair of shoes), C&J Hand Grade. John Lobb doesn't get to play in this game, since again, we have to pay mortgages, etc. Compare C&J and EG to their Italian rivals and I don't think it's a match. But I admit, I am not as knowledgable in this area as others, so I defer final judgement. But in my opinion, you go to Italy for fine clothes, but go to England for fine shoes. Shoes: UK. And since this is a hybrid boxing, soccer scoring system, we'll give the UK 2 points for this one. Honorable mention to Alden from the US. Score, Italy 3, UK 2, US 1. Final score here folks, from TDial Stadium (there might be other "games" going on in this thread, so this is just Game 1. Okay, so maybe the scoring is a la soccer, boxing, with a baseball playoffs multiple game format), it's Italy 3, UK 2, US 1. So that'd be a Borrelli suit w/ a Borrelli shirt, a Carlo Franco tie (or Kiton, if you have one), with EG or C&J (or Grenson, for those on this board) shoes. You're looking sharp, you have on some of the best clothes made anywhere, and your kids can still go to college.