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I can't stand italian clothing

post #1 of 111
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It's been bothering me for a long time now. I simply can't take it. All this Italian stuff --- horrible. You all must buy top-shelf American or English things from now on. That means suits, ties, shirts, shoes, leather goods, etc. No more Italian. Stop it. Only Anglo-American or British cut clothing. Thank you. H. P.S. Unless Spalla personally okays it.
post #2 of 111
Yes, please buy ray-ban glasses, brooks-brothers suits and shirts, church's shoes ... (all of that is italian property if you don't know). Anyway ... this lack a bit of arguments ... please just add some. Explain, why? Personally I prefer english shoes, love american (Alden). I love british fabrics and suit cut; but I prefer italian ties and love our tailors also.
post #3 of 111
I never buy Italian shoes, suits or shirts: I have a few Italian ties, however. I can honestly say that if I go into a shoe shop like Campagnia in Rome I see more styles that I like than I do in any other store I've visited (including the EG store in the Burlington arcade). I think that we should forgive other nations their peculiarities (for example, I haven't launched an attack directed at the "2 1/2" button coat - this is a style that I don't care for, but which seems to be popular with my American friends).
post #4 of 111
Id love for you to find fault with about a hundred Italian clothing companies that I can name, but I will start with my favorite - Gianluca Isaia. Horace, should you make even a slightly intelligent argument as to why this company is inferior to American or British clothing companies, you are a smarter man than I. Im assuming your post was a joke.
post #5 of 111
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Id love for you to find fault with about a hundred Italian clothing companies that I can name, but I will start with my favorite - Gianluca Isaia.  Horace, should you make even a slightly intelligent argument as to why this company is inferior to American or British clothing companies, you are a smarter man than I.   Im assuming your post was a joke.
Wow, did I write that? Sounds like a sophomoric troll. I will address the issue of some strains of Italian tailoring of which I am not completely ignorant, a bit later. I must shuffle off to work now. But do let me say now that my objections are more aesthetic (at this point) than anything else. There are exceptions, but I just don't think most of the styling looks good. There are a few shoulders that Spalla's discussed on London Lounge that appeal to me, but not many. Having tried to back-pedal, do let me state for the record that I bow to no one in my admiration for Italian Culture (other than clothing) and that includes architecture, literature (where would we be without Petrarch), painting, opera, (and with certian reservations) philosophy.
post #6 of 111
Way to stir the pot, Horace. Long live Anglophilia.
post #7 of 111
Watch - Swiss. Suit - Italian Shirt - whoever. Shoes - English. Food - Korean, Chinese, and Thai Woman - hmmm ... These are my preference. It will change depending on other factors.
post #8 of 111
ciao horace, perhaps we could see a foto of you in all your non-italian sartorial glory..i would say that some of the finest british and american styling is influenced by italy..also some of italy's most beautiful garments are designed with british influence..
post #9 of 111
Ok Horace, I feared it was an "idealogic" argument. But now I'm waiting your arguments. As I said, I love british style (not American, I think it is pretty different). The way you said, it was like "French wine is horrible". I like french, italian, american, german, australian, latin-american wine ... for different reasons. For example I like neapolitan style, but I will not dress that, for the moment; too much flashy. I like english, understated tailor cut. I'm sorry I don't like american cut (sack suit, oxxford and similar) I find it banal and "poor". This is aesthetically. MilanoStyle, we have similar tastes, except food ... italian.
post #10 of 111
you just beat me to it Arvi. It has been a very long time since someone could divide clothing styles along national lines. There used to be the American suit, the British suit, and the Italian suit. These were easily distinguishable by their unique fit and style characteristics, and that was that. That was a very very long time ago. These days you have American companies making Italian suits, and vice versa. British companies with Italian influence, etc. Not only that, the style cues that separated the national identities can all be found on the same suit at once. What I think you are referring to, and please correct me if I am wrong, is the more unique and offbeat styles that generally come out of Italy. The silly shoes, the funky ties, the now much maligned Armani cut of the 80s. Because alot of people associate those things with Italy, it has become a bit of a stigma. If you think about it, however, the same holds true in the rest of the world. For every BB Alden shoe that you probably love, there are 10 atrocious Kenneth Cole/et al. square toed monstrocities that you are ignoring. For every well dressed conservative Brit, picture some of the rather eccentric styles that emerged from that country in the 60s and 70s. Every country has both good and bad looks. For some reason you are focusing on the good looks of the Americans and the Brits, yet only focusing on the odd and ugly looks thats sometime malign the Italians. The truth of it is Italy has the majority of the best tailors, designers, etc. in the entire world as far as the clothing business goes. Italian companies pride themselves on innovation, on creativity, and because of that have some of the most beautifully styled clothes, but unfortunately some of the ugliest. to simply say you dont like Italian styled clothes is too much of a generalization. What you should say is you dont like ugly Italian clothes, and neither do I. You wouldnt catch me in a pair of those silly Italian shoes with the huge welt running around it like a rain gutter if they were given to me.
post #11 of 111
Mr. Phil, I subscribe entirely what you wrote. Well done.
post #12 of 111
grazie signore
post #13 of 111
Most of the older forum members grew up with the Brooks Brothers look of the '60s and many now have transferred their allegiances to Italian-made clothes that relate to or mimic this old style (e.g. gray flannel Barbera slacks in 2004 instead of Brooks Brothers flannels in 1965). Armani doesn't seem related in philosophy. Style is more the question, not provenance. Edit: Note that the best Brooks suits are now made in Italy by Cantarelli.
post #14 of 111
i think all of us here dislike ugly clothes regardless of origin.but i still feel that overall italy has the most beautiful designs and styling. of course we here have our Tommy (for those us us obsessed with espresso/cappuccino making here's agood site with interesting links : http://www.gurus.net/pavoni/
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I can understand if you prefer English tailoring, shirts, shoes, etc., to that of the Italians (although I disagree completely, except for shoes), but how on earth can any sane person prefer American (the land of sack suits, tasseled loafers, and boxy button-down shirts) to Italian?
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