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post #1 of 14
12/11/03 at 7:31pm
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I saw a 7-fold tie today by Arnys, very similar to Talbott's 7-fold.  No lining or tipping, just hemmed.  Actually, the Arnys tie I saw was not not really hemmed.  The edges were almost rolled(much narrower than Talbott's hem), like a pocket square.  I think(memory's a little hazy on this detail) that it had saddle stitching down the middle. I made a stop at Brooks Brothers in Chicago.  I asked if they have seven fold ties.  Not a single salesperson had a clue of what a seven fold tie is.  One seemed to think that "seven fold" is a brand, saying, "We only carry Brooks Brothers ties." I also saw some Kiton pocket squares.  They were in a box, and though I didn't count how many there were, there were tags, which read $115, on each pocket square.  Is this possible, for a pocket square to cost $115? Has anyone been to Morris and Sons in Chicago?  What kinds of merchandise do they carry, and by which companies? Could anyone comment on the quality of Arnys shirts and suits(they do bespoke as well)? How are they compared to Charvet and other companies? Are Arnys products(shirts, ties, etc) made in France or outsourced to Italy or somewhere else?
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post #2 of 14
12/11/03 at 7:54pm
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Could anyone comment on the quality of Arnys shirts? How are they compared to Charvet and other companies? Are Arnys products(shirts, ties, etc) made in France or outsourced to Italy or somewhere else?
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post #3 of 14
12/11/03 at 7:55pm
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I also saw some Kiton pocket squares. They were in a box, and though I didn't count how many there were, there were tags, which read $115, on each pocket square. Is this possible, for a pocket square to cost $115?
Yes, if they are from Kiton
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post #4 of 14
12/11/03 at 10:02pm
Italian linen, hand rolled edges, sometimes even rolled in another color, and hand embroidered "Kiton".  You can get a better deal during sales for $50. As long as you don't use it to blow your nose or clean up after an Indian curry meal, it wouldn't hurt to have just one.
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post #5 of 14
12/11/03 at 11:21pm
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Italian linen, hand rolled edges, sometimes even rolled in another color, and hand embroidered "Kiton".  You can get a better deal during sales for $50.  As long as you don't use it to blow your nose or clean up after an Indian curry meal, it wouldn't hurt to have just one.
Quite true.
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post #6 of 14
12/12/03 at 4:09am
anyone else think it's tacky to sew the name of the maker onto a pocket square? it's a bit like wearing a dress shirt with the polo logo on the chest.
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post #7 of 14
12/12/03 at 5:00am
Most other pocket squares spot the name of the 'maker', or brand, since most brands do not acturally make the squares.  My Turnbull, Ralph Lauren, Hermes squares, all have their names proudly printed.   All things considered, the Kiton embroidery (and the Hermes ones) is at least done by its original maker.
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post #8 of 14
12/12/03 at 6:09am
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My Turnbull, Ralph Lauren, Hermes squares, all have their names proudly printed.  
Do you tuck them into your breast pocket with the name showing or hidden?
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post #9 of 14
12/12/03 at 6:20am
Obviously hidden ... and so would I if wearing the Kiton square.
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post #10 of 14
12/12/03 at 10:22am
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Could anyone comment on the quality of Arnys shirts?  How are they compared to Charvet and other companies?  Are Arnys products(shirts, ties, etc) made in France or outsourced to Italy or somewhere else?
I've never seen anything from Arnys other than their ties (which are very nice, BTW). According to their website, their shirts have extensive handwork (collar mounted by hand, sleeves attached by hand, buttonholes sewn by hand, etc.) The ties appear to be made in France. I can't speak to the rest. Has anyone ever seen Arnys items in the US besides the ties?
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post #11 of 14
12/12/03 at 10:24am
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anyone else think it's tacky to sew the name of the maker onto a pocket square? it's a bit like wearing a dress shirt with the polo logo on the chest.
Well, it's not like the name would actually show when you're wearing the pocket square. It's closer to the label inside the collar of a shirt than the logo on the breast pocket.
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post #12 of 14
12/12/03 at 11:04am
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Could anyone comment on the quality of Arnys shirts and suits(they do bespoke as well)? How are they compared to Charvet and other companies? Are Arnys products(shirts, ties, etc) made in France or outsourced to Italy or somewhere else?
Their ready-to-wear lines are outsourced. I've seen one suit - it was made by Belvest and one cashmere blazer - it was made by Isaia. I've seen two of their shirts, one was made by Borrelli and the other was appx. Lorenzini quality. They gave the line a trail run at Bergdorf Goodman some time back and according to a DNR article I read they are readying to launch the line again in a big way. I say look out for it - it's great quality stuff with a rather eccentric and very original style. If anyone ever sees a great deal on one of their Corbusier jackets, please let me know. I missed a version of it on ebay last year - brown pebble-grain leather - and I'm still kicking myself over it.
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post #13 of 14
12/12/03 at 12:54pm
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Just wondered - Kiton has Super 150s "Diamante Blue" fabrics. Diamante Blue is not a mill, as far as I know. I imagine that these fabrics are exclusives, but does anyone know by whom they are woven?
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post #14 of 14
12/12/03 at 1:57pm
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Are Arnys products(shirts, ties, etc) made in France or outsourced to Italy or somewhere else?
I have an Arnys sport coat right in front of me: The various labels state "Arnys" "Made in England" and "100% Cachemire", no manufacturer's name, but it is clear that the coat has been made by Chester Barrie. I haven't been to Paris for eight or nine years (and things might have changed) but Arnys is one of those old-fashioned shops, who produce nothing but have their name (and their name only) on everything they sell. But they buy their stuff from the very best suppliers, regardless of costs. Good luck to them if they now aim to capitalize on their name and distribute wholesale. Hopefully the quality does not go down by trying to find cheaper sources to increase the profit margins. Unfortunate in the age of a global economy, that means the death of the truly individual store. You get the very same "international" merchandise whether you shop in San Francisco, Brussels, Moscow or Tokyo. When I was a child you could get certain foods only during a very short time of the year (raspberries or asparagus). Now you get them all year round and the magic has gone.
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