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post #46 of 68
I've gone back and forth on hats over the years. I like them and I have several fedoras, flat caps, trilbys, and lots of baseball caps, but I've reluctantly come to the conclusion that other than a baseball hat, they don't really work in today's society. Modern cars don't provide enough headroom for a hat, eating and drinking establishments barely have coat checks much less a place to put your hat, and almost everyone wearing one looks like they're trying too hard. I've pretty much given up on anything except for baseball hats to keep the sun off of my head and out of my eyes.
post #47 of 68
As some of you may know, I like wearing hats. I strongly disagree with the hat being a thing of the past. These last few years I've seen more well dressed guys wearing hats than ever before. Most of these are under 75 btw. Sure, you can easily look like a 40s LARP player if you choose to, but I think it's just as easy making it look more contemporary. I know some of my own hat looks may be a bit costume-y, but that's because I don't really care about what most people think about my style of dressing.

Some good examples of young guys wearing hats and looking stellar:




post #48 of 68
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Originally Posted by Bradford View Post

I've pretty much given up on anything except for baseball hats to keep the sun off of my head and out of my eyes.

 

I don't know where you live, but Living in Phoenix, unless you are conscientious about using sunscreen on your temples, you will find that baseball caps do not protect you well enough from the effects of sun exposure. I discovered that fact the hard way, and that is the practical reason I almost always have a wide-brimmed hat on my head when I'm out of doors.

 

Your comments about lack of headroom in cars, no place to put a hat when in a restaurant, and so on, are inconveniences at best and not reasons to forgo wearing a hat. As an example, I had dinner with my youngest daughter last night in San Jose. We sat at an outside table with no room for my hat. I asked for, and received, an extra napkin that I placed on the ground. I stood my hat on the napkin and my daughter placed her purse on the napkin, too. Problem solved.

post #49 of 68
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Originally Posted by Andy57 View Post

I don't know where you live, but Living in Phoenix, unless you are conscientious about using sunscreen on your temples, you will find that baseball caps do not protect you well enough from the effects of sun exposure. I discovered that fact the hard way, and that is the practical reason I almost always have a wide-brimmed hat on my head when I'm out of doors.

Your comments about lack of headroom in cars, no place to put a hat when in a restaurant, and so on, are inconveniences at best and not reasons to forgo wearing a hat. As an example, I had dinner with my youngest daughter last night in San Jose. We sat at an outside table with no room for my hat. I asked for, and received, an extra napkin that I placed on the ground. I stood my hat on the napkin and my daughter placed her purse on the napkin, too. Problem solved.

Andy57,

A creative solution - when in a restaurant I just put my hat on an extra chair or leave it in my car.

My biggest concern is losing a hat - so recently I started to add my email address inside the hat.
post #50 of 68
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by EFV View Post

As some of you may know, I like wearing hats. I strongly disagree with the hat being a thing of the past. These last few years I've seen more well dressed guys wearing hats than ever before. Most of these are under 75 btw. Sure, you can easily look like a 40s LARP player if you choose to, but I think it's just as easy making it look more contemporary. I know some of my own hat looks may be a bit costume-y, but that's because I don't really care about what most people think about my style of dressing.

Some good examples of young guys wearing hats and looking stellar:





Those are good examples that you posted. I agree with you - hats can look like a 1940s style costume if done wrong, but as you show, it's possible for younger gents to wear the, without looking like their trying too hard. I think the key is to match the formality of the hat to the formality of the outfit (aka no top hat with jeans) and then "forget all about it" (I forgot who originally said that). It helps if the hat shape suits your face and body shape as well.
post #51 of 68

Count me in as a hat guy, although I never thought about wearing my fedora in the summer to guard against the sun. I never was concerned about weather the hat was dead or not, I just love them and since I wear a suit to work I figured, why the hell not. 

post #52 of 68
Wear your hat because it's badass. Get reduced likelihood of skin cancer as the bonus. Works for me. Works really well for me.
post #53 of 68
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Andy57,

A creative solution - when in a restaurant I just put my hat on an extra chair or leave it in my car.

My biggest concern is losing a hat - so recently I started to add my email address inside the hat.

 

David, that's a great idea! I shall start doing that, too. I rarely leave my hat in my car unless the car is parked inside a parking structure, say at the mall. But I do utilize an extra chair, if one is available. And some older establishments still have hat racks or coat hooks, believe it or not!

 

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Count me in as a hat guy, although I never thought about wearing my fedora in the summer to guard against the sun.

 

It's straw hats (Panamas) for me in the summer. I just this week swapped out my summer hats for my winter ones. But there's nothing wrong with wearing a fedora in summer time.

post #54 of 68
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Originally Posted by mattmaybloom View Post

Count me in as a hat guy, although I never thought about wearing my fedora in the summer to guard against the sun. I never was concerned about weather the hat was dead or not, I just love them and since I wear a suit to work I figured, why the hell not. 

Exactly!


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Wear your hat because it's badass. Get reduced likelihood of skin cancer as the bonus. Works for me. Works really well for me.

Reducing chances of cancer is always a good idea.
post #55 of 68
This is an interesting thread. While it is understandable that some do not care for hats, the fact remains that male hat wearers have definitely increased over the last 20+ years. And for the record - from a female point of view - some guys simply look damn sexy in a fedora!

But, I think many of you are overlooking why the hat actually died out.

Yes, with the rise of "counter culture" in the 50's, young men began to veer away from the traditional, hitting an all time high by the end of the 60's when all things "establishment" were reviled. No hats thruout the 70's and 80's, and then they began sneaking back into favor during the 90's until now it is common for my nephews and their friends (all 20's), to don a hat, look good in it, and not look costumey.(I'm not talking baseball caps - actual hats.)

So what changed? By the narcissistic, "look at me" 80's, for those of you who believe hats are all about calling attention to oneself, hats should have been everywhere - but they weren't. So that argument doesn't seem to hold water. So why the comeback?

Easy answer....same reason most women do not wear hats to this day....hat hair.

The mens' shag styles of the 70's and super-coiffed, mullets and poofy hot combings of the 80's simply could not survive the wearing of a hat. By the 90's, men were back to tight trimmings and regular cuts and hats began to sneak back in until we have reached the current state - a hat rack displaying a hundred hats - at the supermarket!

I won't get into quality, just know we women can no longer buy quality anything!

Hats are back...whether you like them or not.
post #56 of 68
You make a lot of broad generalizations which are open to correction.
For example, the "counter culture" phenomenon was not in the 50s, but a decade later.
Your explanation for the revival of hat wearing in the 90s is patently inadequate.


"The mens' shag styles of the 70's and super-coiffed, mullets and poofy hot combings of the 80's simply could not survive the wearing of a hat. By the 90's, men were back to tight trimmings and regular cuts and hats began to sneak back in until we have reached the current state - a hat rack displaying a hundred hats - at the supermarket! "

Men continued to wear hats in previous centuries with longer and more elaborate hair styles, and for over a century, wigs !
Certainly the modest change in hair styles from the 70s, 80s to the 90s do not account for the supposed hat revival.
post #57 of 68
Cable Car Clothiers in San Francisco has a good selection of quality hats. I bought my panama there, and wear it whenever I'll be in the sun for a while. You do need to be comfortable looking different.
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Quality is not now and never was cheap. There are three ways to go if you want a good hat. First option is to visit one of the remaining hat shops. The ones I know of (but I'm sure not close to an exhaustive list) are Optimo in Chicago, JJ Hat Center in NYC, and to a considerably lesser degree, Goorin Bros in San Francisco. Or Bates' Hats in London, and Lock & Co, if you really must. Second option is to use one of the excellent online custom hat makers. I recommend john Penman in Oregon and Steven Temkin of Leon Drexler, in Toronto. Third option is eBay where you can find excellent vintage hats of all descriptions, usually priced pretty well.

As for Panamas, $200 doesn't even get you in the door, I'm afraid. But there are plenty of "Panamas" for well under $200 if you look around.
post #58 of 68
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Originally Posted by JIMB View Post

Cable Car Clothiers in San Francisco has a good selection of quality hats. I bought my panama there, and wear it whenever I'll be in the sun for a while. You do need to be comfortable looking different.

Cable Car is insanely overpriced. Go over to Berkeley Hat Company and you can find just as good a selection for a much more reasonable cost.
post #59 of 68
I'm with Andy on this. Here in Florida it's sunny year round. For anyone dipping into the hat pool, get one that's functional. It's Panamas all year round for me.

There are Panamas and Panamas. At a minimum they should be made in Ecuador not Panama! The finest Montecristis are like linen and can go for well over a grand. For a more modest budget you can get them starting for around $100. I just got a couple from JJs in the sale. See my blog for details ...
post #60 of 68
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Originally Posted by Thin White Duke View Post

I'm with Andy on this. Here in Florida it's sunny year round. For anyone dipping into the hat pool, get one that's functional. It's Panamas all year round for me.

There are Panamas and Panamas. At a minimum they should be made in Ecuador not Panama! The finest Montecristis are like linen and can go for well over a grand. For a more modest budget you can get them starting for around $100. I just got a couple from JJs in the sale. See my blog for details ...

Panamas are certainly beautiful and useful but I worry about the wind and how to clean them.

I love gardening and getting hats dirty at times is par for the course and the wind can easily blow light hats off to the horizon..

So am I missing something - can you easily clean a muddy Panama and do they stay on your head in the wind?

If not no problem I can save them for going out to lunch or social events.

Although my social events tend to involve large dogs and small children both come with mud at no extra charge.
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