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Originally Posted by Gibonius View Post

I think it's funny how Obama's approval ratings keep going up throughout the election. People are like "Oh yeah, he wasn't really all that bad compared to this shit-show, was he?"

He handled the scandals in his administration very well and he had much less baggage in his personal history.
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I think it's funny how Obama's approval ratings keep going up throughout the election. People are like "Oh yeah, he wasn't really all that bad compared to this shit-show, was he?"


W's approval ratings are going up too. 

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ImageHandler.ashx?im=SOS+pads.jpg or SES?  And no if an SES sent or received classified information on their unclass account no one would give a shit

 

I don't know what an SES is, but I can point to about a dozen articles of various people from officers and enlisted personnel in various branches of the military to civilians getting discharged/fired/prosecuted for mishandling classified information.

post #573 of 724
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He handled the scandals in his administration very well and he had much less baggage in his personal history.

I was trying to think of what's happened over the last eight years and Googled "Obama scandals," and man, that really brings you into the alt-right looney bin section of the Internet.
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Originally Posted by wojt View Post

yeah it was a bs throw away line
people of her calibre rarely end up in jail, even if Trump put someone to investigate her or form a senate committee after a half a year of shit flinging and bring up DNC dirt to the surface they would not jail her or anything

So Trump's lines are basically 50% throwaway, 50% overemphasis? That's exactly the problem isn't it? What a head of state does is mainly producing discourse and Trump doesn't master the political metalanguage. Some people might think he's using some sort of honest, everyday language but as you can see that is not the case either, his bombastic speech is half snake-oil seller, half-wrestler. Can't fit inside the system (so can't be reformist) and isn't anti-system either. Just a pig.
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So Trump's lines are basically 50% throwaway, 50% overemphasis? That's exactly the problem isn't it? What a head of state does is mainly producing discourse and Trump doesn't master the political metalanguage. Some people might think he's using some sort of honest, everyday language but as you can see that is not the case either, his bombastic speech is half snake-oil seller, half-wrestler. Can't fit inside the system (so can't be reformist) and isn't anti-system either. Just a pig.


Don't forget that portion of it that comes directly from Russian disinformation: https://twitter.com/kurteichenwald/status/785662192473419777

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Don't forget that portion of it that comes directly from Russian disinformation: https://twitter.com/kurteichenwald/status/785662192473419777

That's because RT news and others more subtle Russian propaganda channels are very popular in the alt-right circles.

Note that anti-Russian propaganda (or at the very least lack of knowledge and fear mongering) are very common in American media.
post #577 of 724
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I was trying to think of what's happened over the last eight years and Googled "Obama scandals," and man, that really brings you into the alt-right looney bin section of the Internet.

I can see that being as dangerous as an Ed term getting Googled.

He's had some, but like I said, handled most of them pretty well and most have been more policy vs. personal. The personal ones I can think of off the top of my head would be his "spiritual father" and his relationship with Rezko. He pragmatically tossed Wright under the bus eventually and was pretty upfront in Rezko saying he realized things looked bad merely due to Rezko's legal problems and was stupid for even doing a fully above board deal with him. If that had been the Clintons they would have tried out nine different stories until the truth finally came out...even though it's quite clear nothing really nefarious probably happened. As I always say it's not what happened but how you handle it that matters.
post #578 of 724
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Originally Posted by Fuuma View Post

So Trump's lines are basically 50% throwaway, 50% overemphasis? That's exactly the problem isn't it? What a head of state does is mainly producing discourse and Trump doesn't master the political metalanguage. Some people might think he's using some sort of honest, everyday language but as you can see that is not the case either, his bombastic speech is half snake-oil seller, half-wrestler.

I can't even say I disagree with this, to me it's a mixture of both everyday language and bombastic speech
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Can't fit inside the system (so can't be reformist) and isn't anti-system either. Just a pig.

i think that's more of question how much is he willing to play ball and on what issues imo
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That's because RT news and others more subtle Russian propaganda channels are very popular in the alt-right circles.

Note that anti-Russian propaganda (or at the very least lack of knowledge and fear mongering) are very common in American media.

RT news is biased ofc, but I actually agree with what you said that the anti-Russian propaganda is very common. Not only in American media but in west overall. Watching RT sometimes is useful because they somtimes cover stories that are not covered in western media and from different angle so imo it sometimes can show you more complete picture on some issues.
post #580 of 724

RT isn't just biased, it's state run. To say RT is biased is an obfuscation of the truth. 

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these are not mutually exclusive you know, no need to get caught up in semantics over this
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No, there is a need. It's an important distinction. 

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Originally Posted by ethanm View Post
 

RT isn't just biased, it's state run. To say RT is biased is an obfuscation of the truth. 



But they seemed to like Ron Paul, so I don't care - they were fighting to expose the truth, man.

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Originally Posted by Gibonius View Post

I was trying to think of what's happened over the last eight years and Googled "Obama scandals," and man, that really brings you into the alt-right looney bin section of the Internet.

You were right about the looney bin thing. Scandal free!

post #585 of 724
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RT isn't just biased, it's state run. To say RT is biased is an obfuscation of the truth. 

Putting RT up as a counterweight to Western media is buying into Russia's game. Equating "free press with a Western bias" and "state run Russian media" really gives the Russia propaganda outlets far more credibility than they deserve.
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